Re: Hello world, meet American driver’s licenses

Thanks Kalin! We’ll be talking more about Utah soon. Exciting developments
happening there indeed!
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 9:20 AM Kalin NICOLOV <kalin.nicolov@gmail.com>
wrote:

> First of all, a big thank you to Kim for authoring the series and
> submitting it to the community for iteration. Thank you also to the people
> who submitted their well-intentioned points and observations.
>
> As a remote bystander of what is unravelling in the US, I am surprised
> Utah is not mentioned more often. True, Steve, Chris and Timothy are all
> involved in the best way possible - why is this not happening more often in
> other states though?
>
> -Kalin
>
> *From: *Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 11:45 PM
> *To: *Kim Hamilton <kimdhamilton@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *W3C Credentials CG (Public List) <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Hello world, meet American driver’s licenses
>
> I am going to add this publicly since it seemed to read well;
>
> "
> There are more. I just pulled that digital id article at random. This
> might help: https://www.infowars.com/results?search=digital+id
>
> I am not sure where you are, but I see this as data / opinion and try to
> not blindly believe everything. I'd love to hear what the so labelled
> "globalists" think about digital id efforts. Open. non-judgement discussion
> is the best way to go IMHO. If digital id is useful for humans and enhances
> rather than reduces quality of life I am for it. It is probably best to
> engage as many as possible,  because if some think it is a power play or
> have the wool pulled over their eyes it could be bad. If there are
> self-interested elements, maybe with those elements deluded into thinking
> that they are doing good, that would be good to know about too. Everyone
> needs to know that they can all win."
>
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
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>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 12:19 PM Brent Shambaugh <
> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am also reminded of situations where someone wanted to do the "right
> thing" but wanted to "keep their job" or was otherwise compromised. This
> might be outside of the scope. Creating good digital identity systems is
> more than just code.
>
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 12:14 PM Brent Shambaugh <
> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Elaboration. There are a number of AlexJones/Infowars articles. They
> mostly boil down into creating a control grid.  Whether there is an actual
> agenda is up to debate. Some of the points are still valid.
>
> Here is an example with biometric identification:
>
> https://www.infowars.com/posts/third-world-countries-continue-rolling-out-digital-biometric-ids-as-id4africa-agenda-is-underway
>
> Key points:
> + "digital ID app could be theoretically shut off if the user fails to
> meet specific requirements"
>    They cite covid-19 vaccination certificates. I remember earlier
> arguments against this on the grounds that it was a slippery slope toward
> identification for everything. The premise is good. But like they argue
> against some of the precautions put in
>    place after 9-11, the desire to be safe leads to a trade between
> perceived safety and freedom. The agenda part would be the same site saying
> that both covid-19 and 911 were planned events for the purpose of a
> hegelian dialectic (i.e. create a
>   situation where a trade off between safety and freedom seems logical,
> when otherwise it would face wide public opposition) In my opinion,
> discussion should take place before an emergency arises. Perhaps there
> should be no bending of the rules.
> + *"*digital ID smartphone apps for increased tracking abilities*"*
>    This is like what Kim said. People like Edward Snowden and William
> Benny would also agree that the government already has stepped too far in
> collecting unnecessary data. So there are elements in government that do
> favor hoarding data, beyond
>   what may be considered reasonable [1]. If there is abuse, how can checks
> be put in place to prevent further abuse? Most people are good. Few people
> are bad.
> + "digital ID for children to access, or not access, age-restricted
> content."
> This seems good. However, a common argument against this is that the road
> to dystopia leads with good intention. Start with something that is easily
> accepted, then allow scope creep to restrict access for ever more
> situations.
> + "One inherent danger of biometric identification is that the data cannot
> be altered if compromised, such as with a database hack."
> + "Facial recognition images could be fed into A.I. software to create
> fake surveillance camera video of a targeted individual conducting a crime.
> "
> The two previous could be seen together. Creating fake footage is easier
> than ever. It is good that deep fakes have already been thought about in
> this community through verifiable data.
> + " likely scenario will be a new push for the global microchip
> implantation of the human race, as microchips can have their information
> altered upon being compromised."
> I frequently hear talk about the Book of Revelation and the Mark of the
> Beast shortly after hearing talk like this. Identification to buy or sell
> should be seen as a warning.
>
> I realize that some are involved with ID4Africa. Unfortunately on this
> Infowars site I see a lot of comments that are begging for edification. I
> wish there was more intelligent discourse than finger pointing.
>
> I hope this is constructive in the sense there are danger zones.
>
>
> [1] NSA Whistle-Blower Tells All: The Program | Op-Docs | The New York
> Times <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE>
>
>
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 11:04 AM Kim Hamilton <kimdhamilton@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting perspective; can you elaborate? Please keep the conversation
> constructive.
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 9:01 AM Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Almost sent last night too:
>
> Another solution is to be educated and continually skeptical. Some of
> Kim's arguments remind me of some Alex Jones/Infowars articles I have seen.
> While this may not be a flattering comparison, it is important to be
> skeptical of the skeptics
>
> I am adding this now because I believe it is an argument for open
> standards. Transparency and public involvement builds trust, but also
> builds the opportunity for edification and discourse.
>
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 1:06 AM Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> To be honest, sometimes I "forget" my phone. On occasion, I wear a "tin
> foil hat" and put my phone in a faraday cage. I do not trust my government.
> The next "Save American Privacy Act" may be really the "Take American
> Privacy Act" passed on Christmas Eve.
>
> Some say the solution is  to somehow take money out of politics.
>
> -Brent
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 10:25 PM Kim Hamilton <kimdhamilton@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I realized we’ve been talking past each other in the mDL discussion, and a
> large factor is likely different assumptions and use based on where we
> live. So I wrote a US driver’s license explainer:
> http://kimdhamilton.com/american_privacy/
>
> I hope this will help move the discussion forward when we talk about the
> risks in the US context.
> Kim
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
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>
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