- From: Kim Hamilton <kimdhamilton@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 17:28:40 +0000
- To: "Brent Shambaugh" <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
- Cc: "W3C Credentials CG" <public-credentials@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <mcc7zhki.67acfc9f-20c7-4f18-a70c-822011dfd164@we.are.superhuman.com>
Strong +1: " Creating good digital identity systems is more than just code." Wh at happened in Utah's mDL implementation: the implementor rolled out a solution that preferred server retrieval because it was more *efficient* than Bluetooth*. More efficient, but at what cost. This really highlights the risks of making technical decisions in a vacuum. We're mostly technical people here. We cosplay as privacy/legal experts often, but we are often shortsighted. Specifications applying to identity only benefit from public review and discourse, including a broad range of stakeholders. *Subsequently , when Utah learned about this, they changed it, deleted the logs + records, and are now leading the way on digital identity solutions that prioritize individual sovereignty Sent via Superhuman ( https://sprh.mn/?vip=kimdhamilton@gmail.com ) On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 10:19 AM, Brent Shambaugh < brent.shambaugh@gmail.com > wrote: > > I am also reminded of situations where someone wanted to do the "right > thing" but wanted to "keep their job" or was otherwise compromised. This > might be outside of the scope. Creating good digital identity systems is > more than just code. > > > -Brent Shambaugh > > GitHub: https:/ / github. com/ bshambaugh ( https://github.com/bshambaugh ) > > Website: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ ( http://bshambaugh.org/ ) > LinkedIN: https:/ / www. linkedin. com/ in/ brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ( > https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ) > Skype: brent.shambaugh > Twitter: https:/ / twitter. com/ Brent_Shambaugh ( > https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh ) > WebID: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ foaf. rdf#me ( > http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me ) > > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 12:14 PM Brent Shambaugh < brent. shambaugh@ gmail. > com ( brent.shambaugh@gmail.com ) > wrote: > > >> Elaboration. There are a number of AlexJones/Infowars articles. They >> mostly boil down into creating a control grid. Whether there is an actual >> agenda is up to debate. Some of the points are still valid. >> >> Here is an example with biometric identification: >> https:/ / www. infowars. com/ posts/ third-world-countries-continue-rolling-out-digital-biometric-ids-as-id4africa-agenda-is-underway >> ( >> https://www.infowars.com/posts/third-world-countries-continue-rolling-out-digital-biometric-ids-as-id4africa-agenda-is-underway >> ) >> >> >> Key points: >> + "digital ID app could be theoretically shut off if the user fails to >> meet specific requirements" >> >> They cite covid-19 vaccination certificates. I remember earlier arguments >> against this on the grounds that it was a slippery slope toward >> identification for everything. The premise is good. But like they argue >> against some of the precautions put in >> >> place after 9-11, the desire to be safe leads to a trade between perceived >> safety and freedom. The agenda part would be the same site saying that >> both covid-19 and 911 were planned events for the purpose of a hegelian >> dialectic (i.e. create a >> >> situation where a trade off between safety and freedom seems logical, when >> otherwise it would face wide public opposition) In my opinion, discussion >> should take place before an emergency arises. Perhaps there should be no >> bending of the rules. >> >> + *"* digital ID smartphone apps for increased tracking abilities *" >> * >> ** This is like what Kim said. People like Edward Snowden and William Benny >> would also agree that the government already has stepped too far in >> collecting unnecessary data. So there are elements in government that do >> favor hoarding data, beyond >> >> what may be considered reasonable [1]. If there is abuse, how can checks >> be put in place to prevent further abuse? Most people are good. Few people >> are bad. >> + "digital ID for children to access, or not access, age-restricted >> content." >> >> This seems good. However, a common argument against this is that the road >> to dystopia leads with good intention. Start with something that is easily >> accepted, then allow scope creep to restrict access for ever more >> situations. >> + "One inherent danger of biometric identification is that the data cannot >> be altered if compromised, such as with a database hack." >> + "Facial recognition images could be fed into A.I. software to create >> fake surveillance camera video of a targeted individual conducting a >> crime. " >> >> The two previous could be seen together. Creating fake footage is easier >> than ever. It is good that deep fakes have already been thought about in >> this community through verifiable data. >> + " likely scenario will be a new push for the global microchip >> implantation of the human race, as microchips can have their information >> altered upon being compromised." >> >> I frequently hear talk about the Book of Revelation and the Mark of the >> Beast shortly after hearing talk like this. Identification to buy or sell >> should be seen as a warning. >> >> >> I realize that some are involved with ID4Africa. Unfortunately on this >> Infowars site I see a lot of comments that are begging for edification. I >> wish there was more intelligent discourse than finger pointing. >> >> >> I hope this is constructive in the sense there are danger zones. >> >> >> >> >> [1] NSA Whistle-Blower Tells All: The Program | Op-Docs | The New York >> Times < https:/ / www. youtube. com/ watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE ( >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE ) > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> * >> -Brent Shambaugh >> >> GitHub: https:/ / github. com/ bshambaugh ( https://github.com/bshambaugh ) >> >> Website: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ ( http://bshambaugh.org/ ) >> LinkedIN: https:/ / www. linkedin. com/ in/ brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ( >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ) >> Skype: brent.shambaugh >> Twitter: https:/ / twitter. com/ Brent_Shambaugh ( >> https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh ) >> WebID: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ foaf. rdf#me ( >> http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me ) >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 11:04 AM Kim Hamilton < kimdhamilton@ gmail. com ( >> kimdhamilton@gmail.com ) > wrote: >> >> >>> Interesting perspective; can you elaborate? Please keep the conversation >>> constructive. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 9:01 AM Brent Shambaugh < brent. shambaugh@ gmail. >>> com ( brent.shambaugh@gmail.com ) > wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Almost sent last night too: >>>> >>>> >>>> Another solution is to be educated and continually skeptical. Some of >>>> Kim's arguments remind me of some Alex Jones/Infowars articles I have >>>> seen. While this may not be a flattering comparison, it is important to be >>>> skeptical of the skeptics >>>> >>>> >>>> I am adding this now because I believe it is an argument for open >>>> standards. Transparency and public involvement builds trust, but also >>>> builds the opportunity for edification and discourse. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Brent Shambaugh >>>> >>>> GitHub: https:/ / github. com/ bshambaugh ( https://github.com/bshambaugh ) >>>> >>>> Website: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ ( http://bshambaugh.org/ ) >>>> LinkedIN: https:/ / www. linkedin. com/ in/ brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ( >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ) >>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh >>>> Twitter: https:/ / twitter. com/ Brent_Shambaugh ( >>>> https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh ) >>>> WebID: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ foaf. rdf#me ( >>>> http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 1:06 AM Brent Shambaugh < brent. shambaugh@ gmail. >>>> com ( brent.shambaugh@gmail.com ) > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> To be honest, sometimes I "forget" my phone. On occasion, I wear a "tin >>>>> foil hat" and put my phone in a faraday cage. I do not trust my >>>>> government. The next "Save American Privacy Act" may be really the "Take >>>>> American Privacy Act" passed on Christmas Eve. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Some say the solution is to somehow take money out of politics. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Brent >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 10:25 PM Kim Hamilton < kimdhamilton@ gmail. com ( >>>>> kimdhamilton@gmail.com ) > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I realized we’ve been talking past each other in the mDL discussion, and a >>>>>> large factor is likely different assumptions and use based on where we >>>>>> live. So I wrote a US driver’s license explainer: >>>>>> http:/ / kimdhamilton. com/ american_privacy/ ( >>>>>> http://kimdhamilton.com/american_privacy/ ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this will help move the discussion forward when we talk about the >>>>>> risks in the US context. >>>>>> Kim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Brent Shambaugh >>>> >>>> GitHub: https:/ / github. com/ bshambaugh ( https://github.com/bshambaugh ) >>>> >>>> Website: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ ( http://bshambaugh.org/ ) >>>> LinkedIN: https:/ / www. linkedin. com/ in/ brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ( >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259 ) >>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh >>>> Twitter: https:/ / twitter. com/ Brent_Shambaugh ( >>>> https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh ) >>>> WebID: http:/ / bshambaugh. org/ foaf. rdf#me ( >>>> http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me ) >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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