- From: Alan Karp <alanhkarp@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 17:47:11 -0700
- To: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
- Cc: Drummond Reed <Drummond.Reed@gendigital.com>, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, "W3C Credentials CG (Public List)" <public-credentials@w3.org>, Golda Velez <gvelez17@gmail.com>
- Message-ID: <CANpA1Z05OOFLBoWJm+VP0xOrmOG-Fb8vVt3YSj8c88u79aWt1g@mail.gmail.com>
Do we ask for proof of humanity of other software running on behalf of a person? What if a personal AI carries out its task using an application? Isn't the human who determines what the software, AI or otherwise, supposed to do the responsible party? -------------- Alan Karp On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 5:23 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com> wrote: > At the last IIW, we had a session titled: Should Proof of Humanity apply > to my Personal AI? > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qzqLotWLt_5W8leQIRKzPxkm2wV2xWXdwEzc6Iiks_Y/edit > > The group could not think of a single reason to make a distinction between > me and an AI that I control as my delegate. To introduce such a "CAPTCHA on > steroids" is to limit technological enhancement to corporations and > "others". Will we treat personal technological enhancement the way we treat > doping in sports? > > Who would benefit from imposing such a restriction on > technological enhancement? > > How would we interpret the human right of Freedom of Association and > Assembly (Article 20) to exclude open source communities creating open > source personal AI that an individual can take responsibility for? > > Certifying the vendor, provenance, and training data of a personal AI > seems like the last thing we would want to do. I hope what Drummond is > suggesting applies to AI that is not transparent and controlled by an > individual or a community of individuals in a transparent way. How do we > see a world where two kinds of AI, personal and "certified" interact? > > Adrian > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 7:16 PM Drummond Reed < > Drummond.Reed@gendigital.com> wrote: > >> Manu has a good point. I have no problem interacting with an AI bot as >> long as I can be sure it’s an AI bot—and ideally if I can check its vendor, >> provenance, trained data sets, etc. >> >> >> >> Same for a human—I don’t need to know their identity, just their >> authenticity. >> >> >> >> Meronimous (is that a word? 😉) VCs could definitely help do that. >> >> >> >> =Drummond >> >> >> >> *From: *Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> >> *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2024 at 8:05 AM >> *To: *W3C Credentials CG (Public List) <public-credentials@w3.org> >> *Cc: *Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>, Golda Velez < >> gvelez17@gmail.com> >> *Subject: *Re: Meronymity >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 11:39 AM Golda Velez <gvelez17@gmail.com> wrote: >> > um. not to be a downer, but Quora on the non-technical side is >> absolutely full of manipulation by bad actors, imho... >> >> Wouldn't the use of VCs provide some level of assurance that the bad >> actor isn't faking their credentials? As Adrian mentioned, there can >> be reputation associated with those VCs. >> >> > the thing is its important to remember there are quite different >> incentives and less verifiability once you are in a non-technical domain, >> especially geopolitical >> >> Are you saying that there are no combination of verifiable credentials >> that could be used to separate the bots, from the bad actors, from the >> good actors with specific expertise? >> >> Another interesting aspect here is that "the bots" are, probably >> within the next decade, going to legitimately exceed the level of >> expertise of 99.9% of the population on most subjects that could be >> discussed in an online forum. I, for one, welcome our new robot troll >> overlords. :P >> >> -- manu >> >> -- >> Manu Sporny - >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fmanusporny%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cdrummond.reed%40avast.com%7C8b1a80a65c1e47a5731d08dc660249cc%7C94986b1d466f4fc0ab4b5c725603deab%7C0%7C0%7C638497407228003676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WOhFEB730uWzqudZX3VWXM2nbZlgLINOV5ABU%2F3rU5M%3D&reserved=0 >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/> >> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalbazaar.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cdrummond.reed%40avast.com%7C8b1a80a65c1e47a5731d08dc660249cc%7C94986b1d466f4fc0ab4b5c725603deab%7C0%7C0%7C638497407228011352%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Z0o0VRMgqzyQjvkp8nsi%2Bn0AIvlNFL555g%2Fau8At1fY%3D&reserved=0 >> <https://www.digitalbazaar.com/> >> >
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