Re: Meronymity

Do we ask for proof of humanity of other software running on behalf of a
person?  What if a personal AI carries out its task using an application?
Isn't the human who determines what the software, AI or otherwise, supposed
to do the responsible party?

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Alan Karp


On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 5:23 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
wrote:

> At the last IIW, we had a session titled: Should Proof of Humanity apply
> to my Personal AI?
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qzqLotWLt_5W8leQIRKzPxkm2wV2xWXdwEzc6Iiks_Y/edit
>
> The group could not think of a single reason to make a distinction between
> me and an AI that I control as my delegate. To introduce such a "CAPTCHA on
> steroids" is to limit technological enhancement to corporations and
> "others". Will we treat personal technological enhancement the way we treat
> doping in sports?
>
> Who would benefit from imposing such a restriction on
> technological enhancement?
>
> How would we interpret the human right of Freedom of Association and
> Assembly (Article 20) to exclude open source communities creating open
> source personal AI that an individual can take responsibility for?
>
> Certifying the vendor, provenance, and training data of a personal AI
> seems like the last thing we would want to do. I hope what Drummond is
> suggesting applies to AI that is not transparent and controlled by an
> individual or a community of individuals in a transparent way. How do we
> see a world where two kinds of AI, personal and "certified" interact?
>
> Adrian
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 7:16 PM Drummond Reed <
> Drummond.Reed@gendigital.com> wrote:
>
>> Manu has a good point. I have no problem interacting with an AI bot as
>> long as I can be sure it’s an AI bot—and ideally if I can check its vendor,
>> provenance, trained data sets, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Same for a human—I don’t need to know their identity, just their
>> authenticity.
>>
>>
>>
>> Meronimous (is that a word? 😉) VCs could definitely help do that.
>>
>>
>>
>> =Drummond
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>> *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2024 at 8:05 AM
>> *To: *W3C Credentials CG (Public List) <public-credentials@w3.org>
>> *Cc: *Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>, Golda Velez <
>> gvelez17@gmail.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: Meronymity
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 11:39 AM Golda Velez <gvelez17@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > um.  not to be a downer, but Quora on the non-technical side is
>> absolutely full of manipulation by bad actors, imho...
>>
>> Wouldn't the use of VCs provide some level of assurance that the bad
>> actor isn't faking their credentials? As Adrian mentioned, there can
>> be reputation associated with those VCs.
>>
>> > the thing is its important to remember there are quite different
>> incentives and less verifiability once you are in a non-technical domain,
>> especially geopolitical
>>
>> Are you saying that there are no combination of verifiable credentials
>> that could be used to separate the bots, from the bad actors, from the
>> good actors with specific expertise?
>>
>> Another interesting aspect here is that "the bots" are, probably
>> within the next decade, going to legitimately exceed the level of
>> expertise of 99.9% of the population on most subjects that could be
>> discussed in an online forum. I, for one, welcome our new robot troll
>> overlords. :P
>>
>> -- manu
>>
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