Re: 2022-2026 Verifiable Data Standards Roadmap [DRAFT]

I didn't realize I was touching on such as sensitive topic and my apologies if I inadvertently offended anyone. All I was thinking was if members of the group are aware of things going on related to a branch of the ecosystem map elsewhere, and they have time/interest, they could contribute a note e.g., an org's initials with a (?) to denote it without saying more about these intersections.

I wasn't suggesting W3C should through the volunteered time of all the participates take on a comprehensive system mapping effort. My sense was we might be able to add something given, as you note, many participants are already cross different boundaries.

There was no intention to suggest we or others are proactively building silos. As far as I know there aren't ruffled feathers among the CCG flock. This is such a diverse and talented group, I just want to encourage small effort to recognize others, as modest or as incomplete it might be.

The productivity and professionalism of the CCG is a model for many other community groups, and certainly one I point to as an example of how a diverse community can work amazingly well together.

Cheers,
 Phil

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Subject: Re: 2022-2026 Verifiable Data Standards Roadmap [DRAFT]

Who should lead the heavy lift to coordinate across the various ecosystems? CCG? The other areas? Where are the efforts to coordinate with CCG from these other silos? CCG has been open to collaborating on these kinds of maps, but to expect CCG to lead the tracking of efforts of work done outside the CCG is a bit much, especially if they have limited interaction/contribution to the CCG. I would appreciate more overlap and coordination, but the effort to collaborate must come from both/all sides.

The unfortunate truth is that our various orgs are honestly focused on their individual efforts. The people that participate in multiple orgs are the ones that do the knowledge sharing and collaboration. It's ad hoc at best. I don't think it's intentional to build silos, but there is limited incentive to collaborate more broadly, because if there was, we'd already be doing it. I think the best we can do is not let our feathers get ruffled when one of the silos is doing their own thing that may or not dovetail or support another orgs activities. The solution to that scenario, jump in and participate in the orgs you want to lower the silo barriers. Or I guess take the lead on creating the coordinating ecosystem map and have everyone sign off on it.

-Heather

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:02 AM Phillip D. Long <phil@rhzconsulting.com<mailto:phil@rhzconsulting.com>> wrote:
Manu - it does lead to multiple questions. But we can’t strive for perfection, just somewhat greater clarity

Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another and/or
largely overlap in functionality?

Yes, that would be very helpful as it gives us a chance to see how they overlap and perhaps understand their differences better.

 There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play right now.

I’m sure many are wondering why there are three approaches. And I’m sure there are points of optimization that are focusing on particular use cases coming for distinct verticals.  Getting that out there for all to see just might lead to consolidation, or at least better opportunities for those implementing to make decisions about their choices for protocols to support.

There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones?

The Hyperledger community is very diverse. With that many options among RFCs, even only the active ones might be a challenge. If there are only a few relevant active ones, then yes, including them would be helpful. But it’s also an opportunity to send a note to the RFC authors saying here’s short, concise format to describe your work we’d like to include in the comprehensive roadmap. If they respond great! If not just listing an addendum of who was sought out and failed to respond is useful, as well.

Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose?

It’s the CCG’s roadmap. We get to choose. Start with what the CCG is using and ask for volunteers to describe the others they thing should be included perhaps?

I don't for a minute fail to recognize it’s a seriously large task to pull something like this off. But inviting others outside of the CCG who are doing work in the space and giving them an format for contributing that is simple enough to undertake and return, but sufficient to at least give a sense for how their work fits into the larger picture is a variant of the chunking the tasks up into digestible bites that might contribute value.

Just some thoughts.


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On Mar 16, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com<mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote:

On 3/16/22 10:13 AM, Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin wrote:
No one benefits from working in silos in this space, so I support a wider
ecosystem roadmap with labels/marks.

... which then begs multiple questions:

Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another and/or
largely overlap in functionality?

For example: There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play right now.

There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones?

Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose?

-- manu

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