- From: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:26:20 -0500
- To: Philipp Schmidt <phi.schmidt@gmail.com>
- Cc: Phillip Long <pdlong2@asu.edu>, Anil John <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>, W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CANYRo8jWugwCrzvO-xSErsYM17TtagU55+upA8U0k5uUeL3VDA@mail.gmail.com>
Anil, Here's the beginning and the conclusion that relates to W3C SSI work: If we do want to change our relationship to technology, I think we’d have to do it intentionally. My basic thoughts are roughly: > > 1. *We should accept the premise that people will not run their own > servers by designing systems that can distribute trust without having to > distribute infrastructure.* This means architecture that anticipates > and accepts the inevitable outcome of relatively centralized client/server > relationships, but uses cryptography (rather than infrastructure) to > distribute trust. One of the surprising things to me about web3, despite > being built on “crypto,” is how little cryptography seems to be involved! > > This is also the point I've been trying to make from a human rights perspective: *Burdening the user to both store and control their credential using a "holder" principle is a violation of a person's right to delegate*. It could also be counter-productive to adoption of our work, including "crypto", on standardized digital credentials. One of the places I experience this personally is when the vast majority of government agencies insist on me providing them with "Release Forms" and do not accept the documents themselves. I agree that most private verifiers do accept the documents but even they are likely to balk at redacted "presentations". - Adrian On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:34 PM Philipp Schmidt <phi.schmidt@gmail.com> wrote: > Moxie’s piece is excellent. I also found the comparison to web 1.0 and 2.0 > in Tim O’Reilly’s article useful: > > https://www.oreilly.com/radar/why-its-too-early-to-get-excited-about-web3/ > > I would like to read more thoughtful and well argued pro-web3 articles, > appreciate links from this community! > > P > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:28 PM Phillip Long <pdlong2@asu.edu> wrote: > >> Anil: Moxie is the founder of Whisper Systems, acquired back in Twitter >> in 2011. Later he developed Signal (the secure messaging app), etc. A >> similar critique of web3 was published recently by Jeff Galloway (a >> polarizing voice for many to be sure) at >> https://www.profgalloway.com/web3/ >> >> Phil >> >> *e: *pdlong2@asu.edu >> Adaptive Learning Library Consultant >> *org:* EdPlus/ASU >> https://edplus.asu.edu/what-we-do/orchard-adaptive-learning-experience >> *SNS:* https://www.linkedin.com/in/longpd >> <https://edplus.asu.edu/what-we-do/orchard-adaptive-learning-experience> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:06 PM, John, Anil <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov> wrote: >> >> Given the continuous discussions around centralization/de-centralization >> in our community, I found this essay by Moxie Marlinspike … >> >> My first impressions of web3 >> https://moxie..org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/moxie.org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html__;!!BClRuOV5cvtbuNI!TWHO5okUoNLRfejX8R4fouQNtXHpePRJgCEMSTTdyJyd1YeYLaovlTtxC0oRLOgLPpNr$__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!IrG5_q6AE6qea1FemPCOy_y8YEw9na8etw2kGHXAB8UhTKiwV9Y0BRQlLhFxxsU$> >> >> … to have aspects that have relevance to the DID/VC work. >> >> If you don’t know who Moxie Marlinspike is, recommend doing a bit of due >> diligence to find out. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Anil >> >> Anil John >> Technical Director, Silicon Valley Innovation Program >> Science and Technology Directorate >> US Department of Homeland Security >> Washington, DC, USA >> >> Email Response Time – 24 Hours >> >> <image002.jpg> >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!IrG5_q6AE6qea1FemPCOy_y8YEw9na8etw2kGHXAB8UhTKiwV9Y0BRQlcTnIC1M$> >> <image004.jpg> >> >> >>
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