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Re: Ideals meet Implementations - Blockchains, NFTs, Decentralization, Oh My!

From: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:26:20 -0500
Message-ID: <CANYRo8jWugwCrzvO-xSErsYM17TtagU55+upA8U0k5uUeL3VDA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Philipp Schmidt <phi.schmidt@gmail.com>
Cc: Phillip Long <pdlong2@asu.edu>, Anil John <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>, W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
Anil,

Here's the beginning and the conclusion that relates to W3C SSI work:

If we do want to change our relationship to technology, I think we’d have
to do it intentionally. My basic thoughts are roughly:

>
>    1. *We should accept the premise that people will not run their own
>    servers by designing systems that can distribute trust without having to
>    distribute infrastructure.* This means architecture that anticipates
>    and accepts the inevitable outcome of relatively centralized client/server
>    relationships, but uses cryptography (rather than infrastructure) to
>    distribute trust. One of the surprising things to me about web3, despite
>    being built on “crypto,” is how little cryptography seems to be involved!
>
> This is also the point I've been trying to make from a human rights
perspective: *Burdening the user to both store and control their credential
using a "holder" principle is a violation of a person's right to delegate*.

It could also be counter-productive to adoption of our work, including
"crypto", on standardized digital credentials. One of the places I
experience this personally is when the vast majority of government agencies
insist on me providing them with "Release Forms" and do not accept the
documents themselves. I agree that most private verifiers do accept the
documents but even they are likely to balk at redacted "presentations".

- Adrian



On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:34 PM Philipp Schmidt <phi.schmidt@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Moxie’s piece is excellent. I also found the comparison to web 1.0 and 2.0
> in Tim O’Reilly’s article useful:
>
> https://www.oreilly.com/radar/why-its-too-early-to-get-excited-about-web3/
>
> I would like to read more thoughtful and well argued pro-web3 articles,
> appreciate links from this community!
>
> P
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:28 PM Phillip Long <pdlong2@asu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Anil: Moxie is the founder of Whisper Systems, acquired back in Twitter
>> in 2011. Later he developed Signal (the secure messaging app), etc. A
>> similar critique of web3 was published recently by Jeff Galloway (a
>> polarizing voice for many to be sure) at
>> https://www.profgalloway.com/web3/
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>> Phil
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>> *e: *pdlong2@asu.edu
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>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:06 PM, John, Anil <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Given the continuous discussions around centralization/de-centralization
>> in our community, I found this essay by Moxie Marlinspike …
>>
>> My first impressions of web3
>> https://moxie..org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/moxie.org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html__;!!BClRuOV5cvtbuNI!TWHO5okUoNLRfejX8R4fouQNtXHpePRJgCEMSTTdyJyd1YeYLaovlTtxC0oRLOgLPpNr$__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!IrG5_q6AE6qea1FemPCOy_y8YEw9na8etw2kGHXAB8UhTKiwV9Y0BRQlLhFxxsU$>
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>> … to have aspects that have relevance to the DID/VC work.
>>
>> If you don’t know who Moxie Marlinspike is, recommend doing a bit of due
>> diligence to find out.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Anil
>>
>> Anil John
>> Technical Director, Silicon Valley Innovation Program
>> Science and Technology Directorate
>> US Department of Homeland Security
>> Washington, DC, USA
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