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Re: This is a use case

From: Nikos Fotiou <fotiou@aueb.gr>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:48:51 +0300
Message-Id: <C2550A47-5249-46AC-80D2-FB3AC0AE0E77@aueb.gr>
Cc: Jeremy Townson <jeremy.townson@gmail.com>, Juan Caballero <caballerojuan@pm.me>, Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>, Public-Credentials <public-credentials@w3.org>
To: George Artem <georgeartem@gmail.com>
I guess Torvalds response to a related mail in  Linux kernel discussion list, also applies here.

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2106.1/04596.html


> On 15 Jun 2021, at 6:06 PM, George Artem <georgeartem@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I should caveat. The views expressed are my own and may or may not reflect the views of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts or EOHHS.
> 
> End of rant. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Jeremy Townson <jeremy.townson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Of those 'human stories', surely the most alarming is:
>> >> "0941361-1" "0941361-1" "COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH))" "1200" "PFIZER\BIONTECH" "590" "Went to bed not feeling well. My husband came to check on me approx. 12:30 am. He was unable to arouse me.[...]
>> 
>> My god, will the vaccine leave no stone unturned?
>> 
>> Also intriguing
>> >> Resident died suddenly and expectantly on 01/05/2021"
>> 
>> Expecting what? Surely the epitome of optimism.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 14:48, George Artem <georgeartem@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Respectfully, information submitted to VAERS is made under federal penalty, and VAERS data is corroborated by colleagues working on this same issue in Europe. The information IS unfortunately alarming, but we should not turn away from it.
>>> 
>>> You're right, the smart people on this list signed up for VC technology discussions; and what prompted one of my few responses to this group was the continued promulgation of the very poor "vaccine" passport use-case, that's frankly draconian, divisive and a-moral. If we never have a conversation about ethics in technology then we will live in a world full of technology and devoid of ethics.
>>> 
>>> My humble suggestion for this group would be to table any discussion of use cases surrounding the validation of mRNA injections and to collectively urge a period of pause and restraint until the facts are thoroughly understood and the case law on the subject is settled.
>>> 
>>> Instead of an NPR article, I am including a raw sample of the human stories that have been reported to VAERS over the last six months in Massachusetts related to these injections to the attachments.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> George Artem
>>> JD Candidate, New England Law | Boston
>>> Master of Science Information Systems, University of Washington
>>> Executive Office of Health & Human Services - Commonwealth of Massachusetts
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 5:09 AM Juan Caballero <caballerojuan@pm.me> wrote:
>>>> Respectfully, George, I think we would do well to separate disagreements happening on different levels:
>>>> 
>>>> - VAERS is unverified data, and something of a scourge on public health messaging.  A brief history of the database and how not to interpret its contents can be found in an NPR story that aired yesterday:
>>>> https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/14/1004757554/anti-vaccine-activists-use-a-federal-database-to-spread-fear-about-covid-vaccine
>>>> 
>>>> - Whether or not specific mRNA therapies or mRNA therapies in general are too green for primetime is something best debated between people far smarter and specialized in their knowledge than me; I was an English major.  More importantly, the CCG list did not sign up to debate it, they signed up to debate VC technology and messaging. 
>>>> 
>>>> - Adrian's point is a good one, that identity binding is not a mandatory ingredient in VC solutions that solve the specific document-authenticity problem highlighted by Moses.  
>>>> 
>>>> - For people interested in discussing the Good Health Pass draft proposal, Kaliya will be leading a session at tomorrow's DIF Interop WG at 23CET, 14PT, 17ET, on a DIF recorded Zoom call [1]. The group working on it has requested feedback by tomorrow, so people with opinions on the topic should feel free to attend and contribute productively in any way they have time for.  The report can be found here [2].
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> __juan
>>>> 
>>>> [1]: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82475629186?pwd=a1RjenhHcEo0a0FKamdTdzVNaDNzUT09 . 
>>>> [2]: https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/GHP+Blueprint+Public+Review+Process
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/15/2021 3:20 AM, George Artem wrote:
>>>>> Respectfully, take a look at the VAERS data and give the experimental mRNA injection passport use case a rest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Politicization aside, the world should take a collective pause on emergency use authorization of these untested gene therapies. Smart people like yourselves should be urging restraint.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for your consideration,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> George
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> See: https://www.wsj.com/articles/fake-covid-19-certificates-hit-airlines-which-now-have-to-police-them-11618330621
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Airlines are battling a scourge of passengers traveling with falsified Covid-19 health certificates.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The documents are often the Covid-19 test results required by many countries on arrival. The International Air Transport Association industry body says it has tracked fake certificates in multiple countries, from France to Brazil, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. Border control authorities and police forces have also reported arrests of people selling documents in the U.K., Spain, Indonesia and Zimbabwe, among others.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem is hitting international flights more than domestic ones, which typically don’t require certification at the moment. Airlines that are more dependent on cross-border travel, particularly those operating in Europe, are growing increasingly alarmed as they look to the summer, when they still hope demand will start to return.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The proliferation of fake health certificates is exposing a logistical blind spot, as airlines rush to navigate post-pandemic travel standards and retool their systems to ease compliance—and spur demand. Airlines say their staff aren’t equipped to handle and police all the new health certifications needed…
>>>> -- 
>>>> Juan Caballero, PhD. Freelance Identity Researcher & Community Manager Signal/whatsapp: +1 415-3101351 Berlin-based: +49 1573 5994525
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> ~ George | 206.953.6231

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