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Re: Digital Press Passes and Decentralized Public Key Infrastructures

From: Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:21:36 -0400
Message-ID: <CAKCYZhznj4XJfGiWu8HZi5rKtk-MjNzbgxK7k2voVOJBkxXeAA@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web)" <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
Cc: David Chadwick <d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info>, W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
That is a Freedom of Speech issue. Unrelated

I can decide who I want at my events.

If there was a web ring of press banned from Apple events it would be huge.

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 1:51 PM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:

> Re: But if a group of press is saying hey this press person is legit and
> they share a community I then trust that community.
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> Counter-example: Let say I’m Microsoft, Apple, Google, or IBM and I’ve had
> a bad experience with a particular member of the Press. It doesn’t matter
> what his/her peers think, he/she is not going to get a Press Pass to our
> events.
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> *From:* Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* July 24, 2021 10:33 AM
> *To:* David Chadwick <d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info>
> *Cc:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Digital Press Passes and Decentralized Public Key
> Infrastructures
>
>
>
> Why I like web rings cuz I wanna party like it is 1999.
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> But if a group of press is saying hey this press person is legit and they
> share a community I then trust that community.
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> I follow the VC-EDU group best I can but I can also do the same thing with
> two ping backs and a third party ledger.
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> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 11:11 AM David Chadwick <
> d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info> wrote:
>
> I think any solution that requires modifications to browsers is a
> non-starter in the short term (if not the long term as well) as it could
> take years for them to agree to making any changes. So you should consider
> working with today's infrastructures and adding the minimum extra services
> that are required to build an operational system.
>
> Scott, I dont believe that using existing PKIs provides insurmountable
> problems. On the contrary, I think it is a solid bedrock on which to build
> SSI
>
> Kind regards
>
> David
>
> On 24/07/2021 00:47, Annette Greiner wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Has there been any discussion with browser makers or others about browsers
> possibly surfacing this data in their UIs? I could imagine browsers having
> a control that lists the belongs-to claims that a site makes and indicates
> whether they are verified by the corresponding domains. I don’t want to
> specify the UI too much, but it could be something similar to the typical
> lock icon in most browsers now. So the browser makers or platforms wouldn’t
> have to decide anything about who to trust; they would just surface the
> claims and whether they are verified, so that the user can evaluate based
> on their own context of use.
>
> -Annette
>
>
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> On Jul 19, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Scott Yates <scott@journallist.net> wrote:
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> Adam, (and friends),
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> I looked really hard at a PKI solution for a long time, and the downsides
> were insurmountable..
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> Probably the biggest problem that you can't get around is: Who decides who
> is in and who is out?
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> After beating my head against the wall for a couple of years, I came up
> with trust.txt. It's a text file in the tradition of robots.txt and
> ads.txt. In that file, press associations list their members, and members
> list their associations.
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>
>
> For example, the Texas Press Association's file is here:
> https://www.texaspress.com/trust.txt and the file for a small weekly
> paper in Hays has its file here: https://haysfreepress.com/trust.txt
>
>
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> With those, anyone can build a crawler and an algo to get
> confirmation about who belongs to whom.
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> No one body has to decide who is "press" and who is not. Groups on their
> own decide who is a member, and it's up to the platforms to interpret the
> signal and decide that the Hays Free Press is just a bit more trustworthy
> because they at least know that it belongs to the TPA.
>
>
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> I'm now rolling this out to press and broadcasting associations in the
> U.S., and hope to go international starting in the fall.
>
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> After studying it for a long long time, I think this is as close as we can
> get to a "digital press pass" that is consistent with the First Amendment
> and an open, decentralized web.
>
>
>
> -Scott Yates
>
> Founder
>
> JournalList.net <http://journallist.net/>, caretaker of the trust.txt
>  framework
>
> 202-742-6842
>
> Short Video Explanation of trust.txt <https://youtu.be/lunOBapQxpU>
>
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> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 3:23 PM Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail..com
> <adamsobieski@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Credible Web Community Group,
>
> Credentials Community Group,
>
>
>
> I would like to broach the topic of “digital press passes” towards a more
> credible web.
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> As envisioned, “digital press passes” could be provided to organizations
> and individuals utilizing decentralized public key infrastructure.
>
>
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> Webpages could include URLs to their “digital press passes” in link
> elements (<link rel="press-pass" href="…" />). This information could also
> be encoded in documents in a manner interoperable with Web schema. News
> content could be digitally signed by one or more “digital press passes”.
>
>
>
> Upsides include: (1) end-users and services could configure which
> certificate authorities that they desired to recognize, (2) end-users could
> visually see, in their Web browsers, whether displayed content was from a
> source with a valid “digital press pass”, (3) news aggregation sites could
> distinguish content digitally signed by “digital press passes”, (4) social
> media websites could visually adorn and prioritize shared content which is
> digitally signed by “digital press passes”, (5) entry for new news
> organizations and recognition as such by existing services would be
> simplified, e.g., a new newspaper organization, the new news organization
> would need to obtain a “digital press pass” from a certificate authority.
>
>
>
> Downsides include: impact on citizen journalism, where users other than
> journalists desire to publish or distribute news content.
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>
> Have these ideas been considered before? Any thoughts on these ideas?
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> Best regards,
>
> Adam Sobieski
>
>
>
> P.S.: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact
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>
> --
>
> J. Gregory McVerry, PhD
> Assistant Professor
> Southern Connecticut State University
> twitter: jgmac1106
>
>
>

-- 
J. Gregory McVerry, PhD
Assistant Professor
Southern Connecticut State University
twitter: jgmac1106
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