Re: [PROPOSED WORK ITEM] Vaccination Certificate Vocabulary

+1

On 18/02/2021 19:07, Steve Capell wrote:
> Thank you all for your answers
>
> Just to be clear, I wasn’t questioning the need for holders to have 
> paper credentials.  100% agree with that.  Huge numbers of people 
> don’t have smart devices.  Sometimes I wish I didn’t have one either..
>
> The question was about verifiers.  As a holder of a paper cert, I 
> usually am asked to present it to some kind of authority or 
> institution (border, transport, agency, bank, etc) in order to 
> complete some transaction.  It is much less common for the verifier 
> not to have access even in the developing world. They still need a 
> smart phone to read the QR in any case. I take the point about power 
> outages.  But then a few hours after the outage my battery would be 
> dead anyway.  Typically the default in this situation is that the 
> verifier will just inspect the paper, maybe jot down the key details 
> to verify later.  In that scenario, as a verifier (without a working 
> smart phone), I need to see the actual data on the paper because my 
> brain can’t parse the QR.
>
> Steven Capell
> Mob: 0410 437854
>
>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 4:23 am, Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> To provide equity and access, we should be offering everyone a 
>> baseline service like India does with IndiaStack. Once people have a 
>> right to a secure on-line document store they control, the issue of 
>> access to mobile devices and people like children and elders that 
>> need guardians will no longer be an issue.
>>
>> The cost of an on-line secure wallet would be trivial if we see it as 
>> a commodity and a human right. It's inevitable. We're just wasting 
>> time and lives.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:06 PM Scott Gallant 
>> <scott@scottgallant.com <mailto:scott@scottgallant.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     in my delay...
>>
>>     @Jim wrote... "we’re forming a working group on verifiable
>>     credentials and equity."
>>     ...very nice
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:49 AM Scott Gallant
>>     <scott@scottgallant.com <mailto:scott@scottgallant.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         The struggle is real. I need help/solution for
>>         the intermittent/offline in island nations (even innovative
>>         ones with national id systems in flight, etc) with successful
>>         VC early use cases forImmigrations/Customs and Health
>>         testing/vax proofs. Note also these are at known main-stream
>>         experiences/transactions and I have creds/assertions to
>>         render based on softer triggers of time, movement, and
>>         behavior at a very local level outside party-party
>>         transaction that require local processing standards. Context
>>         switching, caching, syncing required along with added
>>         controls for in-person-proofing, etc which, once a party pops
>>         back online enhance the trust model with new creds itself. At
>>         a business level, we've had to scale our Health Threat
>>         Response offerings to optionally include expanded
>>         wifi/satellite/telco solutions- but that shoudln't be the
>>         only answer.
>>
>>         Vaccination Cred points to serve infectious disease... always
>>         on the top ten list of world Health Threats. Right next to it
>>         on that list are Access & Equity in care. Thus... should
>>         other pointed VC standards isolate/attack this top down in
>>         addition to it being a core part of 'Society' above?
>>
>>         -Scott
>>
>>
>>         On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:38 AM John, Anil
>>         <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov <mailto:anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>> wrote:
>>
>>             Very much agree.
>>
>>             As an FYI, our internal rationale for why we are on this
>>             public journey in the DID/VC ecosystem has multiple
>>             components:
>>
>>               * Technical ~ Need for systems and services that are
>>                 resilient, self-healing, and can operate under duress
>>                 in a world where perimeter-based security is no
>>                 longer enough.
>>               * Business ~ Prevent development of “walled gardens” or
>>                 closed technology platforms that do not support
>>                 common standards for security, privacy, and data
>>                 exchange.
>>               * Society ~ Remove limits on the growth and
>>                 availability of a competitive marketplace of diverse,
>>                 interoperable solutions for government and industry
>>                 to draw upon to deliver cost effective and innovative
>>                 solutions that are in the public interest.
>>
>>             The “ … in the public interest” bit REQUIRES us to
>>             deliberately, consistently and with discipline focus on
>>             ensuring equity and access. Not saying that we get it
>>             right all the time or that we succeed every time, but we
>>             try and will keep trying.
>>
>>             <step-off-my-soapbox />
>>
>>             Best Regards,
>>
>>             Anil
>>
>>             *From:* Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com
>>             <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>
>>             *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2021 9:56 AM
>>             *To:* John, Anil <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov
>>             <mailto:anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>>; W3C Credentials CG
>>             <public-credentials@w3.org
>>             <mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>>
>>             *Subject:* Re: [PROPOSED WORK ITEM] Vaccination
>>             Certificate Vocabulary
>>
>>             *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of DHS. DO
>>             NOT click links or open attachments unless you recognize
>>             and/or trust the sender. Contact your component SOC with
>>             questions or concerns.
>>
>>             >The use case is to ensure equity and access … Globally,
>>             and not just in the fully connected world.
>>
>>             And this needs to be true for **EVERYTHING** we design
>>             and build – not just this project.
>>
>>             Leonard
>>
>>             *From: *"John, Anil" <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov
>>             <mailto:anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>>
>>             *Date: *Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 8:39 AM
>>             *To: *W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org
>>             <mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>>
>>             *Subject: *RE: [PROPOSED WORK ITEM] Vaccination
>>             Certificate Vocabulary
>>             *Resent-From: *<public-credentials@w3.org
>>             <mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>>
>>             *Resent-Date: *Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 8:36 AM
>>
>>             > More generally, what is the evidence / use case metrics
>>             for offline verifiers ?
>>
>>             “offline” has nuances.
>>
>>             Is it never online, or is it occasionally connected over
>>             sparse or unreliable networks?
>>
>>             I would assume (as I don’t have ready access to data that
>>             will prove/disprove this assertion) that it is more
>>             likely to be the latter and not the former.
>>
>>             However, to answer your actual question  -
>>
>>             The use case is to ensure equity and access … Globally,
>>             and not just in the fully connected world.
>>
>>             Best Regards,
>>
>>             Anil
>>
>>             Anil John
>>
>>             Technical Director, Silicon Valley Innovation Program
>>
>>             Science and Technology Directorate
>>
>>             US Department of Homeland Security
>>
>>             Washington, DC, USA
>>
>>             Email Response Time – 24 Hours
>>
>>             <image001.png>
>>

Received on Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:17:37 UTC