- From: David Chadwick <D.W.Chadwick@kent.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:17:20 +0000
- To: public-credentials@w3.org
+1 On 18/02/2021 19:07, Steve Capell wrote: > Thank you all for your answers > > Just to be clear, I wasn’t questioning the need for holders to have > paper credentials. 100% agree with that. Huge numbers of people > don’t have smart devices. Sometimes I wish I didn’t have one either.. > > The question was about verifiers. As a holder of a paper cert, I > usually am asked to present it to some kind of authority or > institution (border, transport, agency, bank, etc) in order to > complete some transaction. It is much less common for the verifier > not to have access even in the developing world. They still need a > smart phone to read the QR in any case. I take the point about power > outages. But then a few hours after the outage my battery would be > dead anyway. Typically the default in this situation is that the > verifier will just inspect the paper, maybe jot down the key details > to verify later. In that scenario, as a verifier (without a working > smart phone), I need to see the actual data on the paper because my > brain can’t parse the QR. > > Steven Capell > Mob: 0410 437854 > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 4:23 am, Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> To provide equity and access, we should be offering everyone a >> baseline service like India does with IndiaStack. Once people have a >> right to a secure on-line document store they control, the issue of >> access to mobile devices and people like children and elders that >> need guardians will no longer be an issue. >> >> The cost of an on-line secure wallet would be trivial if we see it as >> a commodity and a human right. It's inevitable. We're just wasting >> time and lives. >> >> Adrian >> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:06 PM Scott Gallant >> <scott@scottgallant.com <mailto:scott@scottgallant.com>> wrote: >> >> in my delay... >> >> @Jim wrote... "we’re forming a working group on verifiable >> credentials and equity." >> ...very nice >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:49 AM Scott Gallant >> <scott@scottgallant.com <mailto:scott@scottgallant.com>> wrote: >> >> The struggle is real. I need help/solution for >> the intermittent/offline in island nations (even innovative >> ones with national id systems in flight, etc) with successful >> VC early use cases forImmigrations/Customs and Health >> testing/vax proofs. Note also these are at known main-stream >> experiences/transactions and I have creds/assertions to >> render based on softer triggers of time, movement, and >> behavior at a very local level outside party-party >> transaction that require local processing standards. Context >> switching, caching, syncing required along with added >> controls for in-person-proofing, etc which, once a party pops >> back online enhance the trust model with new creds itself. At >> a business level, we've had to scale our Health Threat >> Response offerings to optionally include expanded >> wifi/satellite/telco solutions- but that shoudln't be the >> only answer. >> >> Vaccination Cred points to serve infectious disease... always >> on the top ten list of world Health Threats. Right next to it >> on that list are Access & Equity in care. Thus... should >> other pointed VC standards isolate/attack this top down in >> addition to it being a core part of 'Society' above? >> >> -Scott >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:38 AM John, Anil >> <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov <mailto:anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>> wrote: >> >> Very much agree. >> >> As an FYI, our internal rationale for why we are on this >> public journey in the DID/VC ecosystem has multiple >> components: >> >> * Technical ~ Need for systems and services that are >> resilient, self-healing, and can operate under duress >> in a world where perimeter-based security is no >> longer enough. >> * Business ~ Prevent development of “walled gardens” or >> closed technology platforms that do not support >> common standards for security, privacy, and data >> exchange. >> * Society ~ Remove limits on the growth and >> availability of a competitive marketplace of diverse, >> interoperable solutions for government and industry >> to draw upon to deliver cost effective and innovative >> solutions that are in the public interest. >> >> The “ … in the public interest” bit REQUIRES us to >> deliberately, consistently and with discipline focus on >> ensuring equity and access. Not saying that we get it >> right all the time or that we succeed every time, but we >> try and will keep trying. >> >> <step-off-my-soapbox /> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Anil >> >> *From:* Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com >> <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2021 9:56 AM >> *To:* John, Anil <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov >> <mailto:anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>>; W3C Credentials CG >> <public-credentials@w3.org >> <mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>> >> *Subject:* Re: [PROPOSED WORK ITEM] Vaccination >> Certificate Vocabulary >> >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of DHS. DO >> NOT click links or open attachments unless you recognize >> and/or trust the sender. Contact your component SOC with >> questions or concerns. >> >> >The use case is to ensure equity and access … Globally, >> and not just in the fully connected world. >> >> And this needs to be true for **EVERYTHING** we design >> and build – not just this project. >> >> Leonard >> >> *From: *"John, Anil" <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov >> <mailto:anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>> >> *Date: *Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 8:39 AM >> *To: *W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org >> <mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>> >> *Subject: *RE: [PROPOSED WORK ITEM] Vaccination >> Certificate Vocabulary >> *Resent-From: *<public-credentials@w3.org >> <mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>> >> *Resent-Date: *Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 8:36 AM >> >> > More generally, what is the evidence / use case metrics >> for offline verifiers ? >> >> “offline” has nuances. >> >> Is it never online, or is it occasionally connected over >> sparse or unreliable networks? >> >> I would assume (as I don’t have ready access to data that >> will prove/disprove this assertion) that it is more >> likely to be the latter and not the former. >> >> However, to answer your actual question - >> >> The use case is to ensure equity and access … Globally, >> and not just in the fully connected world. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Anil >> >> Anil John >> >> Technical Director, Silicon Valley Innovation Program >> >> Science and Technology Directorate >> >> US Department of Homeland Security >> >> Washington, DC, USA >> >> Email Response Time – 24 Hours >> >> <image001.png> >>
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