Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT, 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT

Hey Drummond - let me edit your response :-)

/to know/to know the pain/s

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On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:30 AM Drummond Reed <drummond.reed@evernym.com>
wrote:

> +100, Andrew. You've administered enough community calendars to know.
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:08 AM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> (avoiding flame wars, cliques, as hominem, etc)
>>
>> Having administered dozens of working groups in several membership and
>> volunteer organizations, I have not found a universal solution to the
>> problem of using simple calendar clients where the meeting attendees are a
>> group list. The issues Brent listed are real. The disconnection of people
>> who have a preference of email/calendar clients is real as well.
>>
>> The best I've encountered so far is to have a centrally managed calendar
>> that allows subscription, with links to a single page containing all
>> agendas appended each time, and many many repeated instructions (links in
>> every email and standing document) for each individual to subscribe to the
>> calendar. That way the burden of managing local collisions is on the
>> subscriber to manage however they choose, and not solely on the
>> administrator who is unable to know or predict how each individual's
>> software choice will interact with the system.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 8:31 AM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
>> mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Brent,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many of us use standard email clients like Microsoft Outlook and use
>>> them to literally run our personal as well as corporate lives.  They all
>>> understand one flavor or another of .ICS calendar files.  These
>>> appointments and meeting requests automatically cancel, can be
>>> automatically updated, etc. etc.  Most groupware (except for maybe the
>>> Google services) support them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There’s millions of us …maybe a billion. By not supporting this
>>> every-day form for meeting management, we’re effectively being excluded.
>>> Hence, the reference to #cliquism.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Brent Zundel <brent.zundel@evernym.com>
>>> *Sent:* August 6, 2021 8:21 AM
>>> *To:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
>>> *Cc:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>; Mike Prorock <
>>> mprorock@mesur.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT,
>>> 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You ask a good question, though it is poorly framed. Providing an
>>> "(industry standard) meeting request" to a mailing list that somehow also
>>> invites each individual on the mailing list, that works easily with
>>> everyone's preferred calendar system, that is simple to update as
>>> participants change, and that automatically updates each participant's
>>> calendar as the original event changes, is not a simple problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You not being helped when folks are trying to be helpful, is not their
>>> problem. You being rude and accusatory to them in response is a problem.
>>>
>>> Assuming there is something you haven't been given because you "aren't
>>> in the club" is silly. The meeting organizers are doing their best to get
>>> everyone the information they need. If you feel that a specific mechanism
>>> for providing that information might work better for you and others in the
>>> group, you are welcome to propose your specific solution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:38 PM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
>>> mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> CORRECTION: Why are these meeting notices *not* being sent out as proper
>>> (industry standard) meeting requests? More clichism?
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net
>>> >
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:35:27 PM
>>> *To:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>; Mike Prorock <
>>> mprorock@mesur.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT,
>>> 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are these meeting notices being sent out as proper (industry
>>> standard) meeting requests?  More clichism?
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 5, 2021 6:02:49 AM
>>> *To:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT, 12pm
>>> ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TL;DR: WACI-PEx (from DIF), CCG Process
>>>
>>> NEXT MEETING:
>>> 1. What is WACI-PEx, project status, alignment with CCG projects - Brent
>>> Zundel, Orie Steele, Juan Caballero
>>> 2. Discussion on CCG Process, consensus, and next steps to avoid issues
>>> in the future - Mike Prorock
>>>
>>> Tuesday, Aug 10rd 2021
>>> Time: Tuesdays, at 9am PT, Noon ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
>>> (see:
>>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20210810T160000&p1=tz_pt&p2=tz_et&p3=tz_cest&p4=tz_bst
>>> )
>>>
>>> Text Chat:
>>>       http://irc.w3.org/?channels=ccg
>>>       irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#ccg
>>>
>>> Jitsi Teleconf:
>>>       https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/weekly
>>>
>>> Voice:
>>>      US phone: tel:+1.602.932.2243;1 <+1.602.932.2243;1>
>>>
>>> We are working on SIP dial-in and international phone numbers.
>>>
>>> Duration: 60 minutes
>>>
>>> MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING:
>>> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/
>>>
>>> MEETING MODERATOR: Michael Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io>
>>> PROPOSED AGENDA:
>>> 1. Agenda Review (2 minutes)
>>> 2. IP Note: (1 minute)
>>> Anyone can participate in these calls. However, all substantive
>>> contributors to any CCG Work Items must be members of the CCG with full IPR
>>> agreements signed. https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/join
>>>     a. Ensure you have a W3 account: https://www.w3.org/accounts/request
>>>     b. W3C COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTOR LICENSE AGREEMENT (CLA):
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/
>>> 3. Call Notes (1 minute)
>>>     a. These minutes and an audio recording of everything said on this
>>> call are archived at https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/
>>>     b. We use IRC to queue speakers during the call as well as to take
>>> minutes. http://irc.w3.org/?channels=ccg or http://irc.w3.org:6665/#ccg or
>>> the Jitsi text chat.
>>>     c. All attendees should type “present+” to get your name on the
>>> attendee list in the transcript.
>>>     d. In IRC type “q+” to add yourself to the queue, with an optional
>>> reminder, e.g., “q+ to mention something”. The “to” is required.
>>>     e. If you’re not on IRC, simply ask to be put on the queue.
>>>     f. Please be brief so the rest of the queue get a chance to chime
>>> in. You can always q+ again.
>>>     g. NOTE: This meeting is held by voice, not by IRC. Off-topic IRC
>>> comments are subject to deletion from the record. We work hard to manage a
>>> single thread of conversation so everyone can participate and be heard.
>>> Please respect the group process by joining the queue when you have
>>> something to contribute.
>>> 4. Scribe Selection (2 minutes)
>>> We need a volunteer to scribe. Scribe List:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LkqZ10z7FeV3EgMIQEJ9achEYMzy1d_2S90Q_lQ0y8M/edit?usp=sharing
>>> 5. Introductions & Reintroductions (5 minutes --> :11) (see scribe doc
>>> for reintroduce column)
>>> 6. Announcements & Reminders (2 minutes)
>>> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/announcements/
>>> 7. What is WACI-PEx, project status, alignment with CCG projects - Brent
>>> Zundel, Orie Steele, Juan Caballero (35min+)
>>> 8. Continuing last week's discussions regarding CCG (meta) and
>>> discussion of issues arising in some work groups, and how we avoid
>>> them (10min)
>>>
>>> 9. General Q&A and Discussion (any remaining time)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Prorock
>>>
>>> CTO, Founder
>>>
>>> https://mesur.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brent Zundel, Evernym
>>>
>>> Principle Cryptography Engineer
>>>
>> --
>> Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP
>> In Turn Information Management Consulting
>> o  +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474
>> 5043 Del Monte Ave,, Victoria, BC V8Y 1W9
>> AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-hughes-682058a
>> Digital Identity | International Standards | Information Security
>>
>