Re: Super Majority Votes: how are we measuring this?

Michael,
This question is exactly why we need to formally discuss and document the
process.

Michael Prorock
CTO, Founder
mesur.io

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, 01:58 Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> 67% of what population? All of CCG? All of a WG? All of the regular
> participants over a series of calls related to a particular specification?
>
> Michael Herman
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> *From:* Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 4, 2021 6:54:23 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Super Majority Votes: how are we measuring this?
>
> The problem is not in the voting and it will not be solved by changing any
> process internal to VC-HTTP. The problem is with CCG and W3C leadership.
> It's the same problem that's causing heartburn with Third-Party Cookies.
> It's the difference between W3C and IETF.
>
> It's unfair for W3C and CCG to dump their problem on the VC-HTTP group. As
> with the Cookies, the issue is authorization, transparency, protocols that
> don't depend on a browser vs. an app vs. an authorization agent and dealing
> with consolidated platforms. W3C needs to deal with that and CCG can help.
>
> I'm just the messenger. Please don't shoot me.
>
> - Adrian
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 8:23 AM Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io> wrote:
>
> 67% would be a very normal starting place for a super majority.
>
> That, ultimately, is not the issue though.  As outlined in the comment
> here:
> https://github.com/w3c-ccg/vc-http-api/pull/224
>
> As noted by Mr. Andrieu the real issue is this:
> "Community process guidelines are at
> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/workitem-process/ which sadly, mentions the
> "CG's documented consensus process" but doesn't provide a link."
>
> This is something we as chairs will have to take on fixing in order to
> prevent the issue from occurring in the future, and we need to establish
> clear definitionson consensus, etc, and what to do as a communitygroup when
> things "get stuck".  As Joe has noted:
> "when the group is clearly bifurcated for and against a resolution, 50+%
> is not an appropriate decision making tool."
>
> There will be some updates and corrections of links coming on the main
> community documentation, as well as some proposals to the main group at the
> CCG related to areas where there is not a defined W3C precendet for handing
> consensus issues.
>
> What also needs to be clarified in the community docs is the work item
> escalation process in the event of a grid lock as we saw here.
>
> Michael Prorock
> CTO, Founder
> mesur.io
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 05:58 Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
> mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:
>
> As a follow-on from yesterday's VC HTTP API call, how are we
> measuring/establishing what represents a successful Super Majority vote?
>
> Is it a (large) percentage of "something"?
> If so, what is the something and what is the percentage?
>
> Michael
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