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Re: Question about Traceability

From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:39:06 -0500
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To: "Charles E. Lehner" <charles.lehner@spruceid.com>
Cc: Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io>, W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
Some of the msu.edu links are broken. Here is an alternative:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070222112705/http://www.msu.edu/user/mccarth4/McCarthy.pdf
.

-Brent Shambaugh

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On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 5:35 PM Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ValueFlows is based on William McCarthy's Resource Event Agent Model. Lynn
> Foster works extensively with Bob and also with Elf Palvik and Pospi.
>
> Here are a few links I could easily turn up
>
> [1] https://valueflo.ws/introduction/concepts.html
> [2] https://github.com/holo-rea/holo-rea
> (20)McCarthy, William E., The REA Accounting Model: A Generalized
> Framework for Accounting Systems in a Shared Data Environment, The
> accounting review, Vol. LVLL, No. 3, July 1982,
> http://www.msu.edu/user/mccarth4/McCarthy.pdf
> <https://www.msu.edu/user/mccarth4/McCarthy.pdf>
> (21)McCarthy, William E., An REA Model of an Economic Exchange, Michigan
> State University,
> http://www.msu.edu/user/mccarth4/cookie--elmo--basic%20REA.ppt
> (22)William E. McCarthy, Homepage, http://www.msu.edu/user/mccarth4
> (15)Value Network £45 P2P Foundation, Last Modified: July 11, 2012,
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Value_Network
> (16)Allee, Verna et al., Value Networks and true nature of collaboration,
> ValueNet Works and Verna Allee Associates, 2011,
> http://www.valuenetworksandcollaboration.com/
> (17)Value Network, http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Value_Network
> Last Modified: April 8, 2013
> (18)SENSORICA, http://www.sensorica.co/home
> (19)Tiberius Brastaviceanu, Sensorica, an open, decentralized, and
> self-organizing value network, May 26, 2011,
> http://www.managementexchange.com/story/sensorica-open-enterprise-making
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
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>
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 2:04 PM Charles E. Lehner <
> charles.lehner@spruceid.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for this informative reply. I have let Bob know.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:56:51 -0400
>> Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io> wrote:
>>
>> > Excellent callout Charles.  Happy to discuss those elements a bit on
>> > the intro call.
>> >
>> > The focus for the call is actually just on the VC side of things,
>> > e.g. what are they, and how do they work, along with what is their
>> > application in the supply chain world as a "101" level intro into
>> > various aspects of the CCG for folks that want to learn about things
>> > like Verifiable Credentials, their usage, and how they fit into the
>> > CCG.
>> >
>> > This is, as you have called out, only a tiny piece of what is
>> > involved in food and ag traceability: how do we record the properties
>> > of various operations and components in the food and ag supply chain,
>> > independent of the tracing (both forward and backward) aspects that
>> > then link change of control and movement of items through the supply
>> > chain.  In practice (and this will be touched on in the 101
>> > discussion), VCs are one part of the data being exchanged and stored,
>> > in addition to all of the movement data, operations, and other items
>> > related to traceability.
>> >
>> > VCs in supply chain are are typically related to (as in an inspection
>> > of a particular pallet), or represent items (package of avocados)
>> > that are being traced, and are largely independent of the method used
>> > to support the traceability functionality itself, e.g. immutable
>> > ledgers storing change of control or product movement, old school
>> > database stuff, etc  You can think of the VCs in this case as
>> > representing the things that tracing is applied to, along with
>> > metadata about those things.  Effectively they are a means to enable
>> > better track and trace.
>> >
>> > While the VCs and vocabulary items described in the Traceability Vocab
>> > Specification themselves are a small piece of the traceability
>> > problem, they are an important and fundamental base on which the rest
>> > of traceability relies on, and by standardizing on a common language
>> > along with providing the ability to verify and securely operate on
>> > items described by that language we aid in building a path to where
>> > various traceability solutions can better interoperate and exchange
>> > information either across commodities, or between different legs on
>> > the supply chain.
>> >
>> > For those interested in the broader issues surrounding traceability
>> > and food safety, the FDA has done an excellent job at capturing many
>> > aspects of traceability in relation to food safety, along with the
>> > data that must be collected to support that traceability in the
>> > Proposed Traceability Rule here:
>> >
>> https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety-modernization-act-fsma/fsma-proposed-rule-food-traceability
>> >
>> > I would note that our efforts at mesur.io are supporting the use of
>> > VCs to represent data required by the proposed FDA rule, and that
>> > ultimately as that rule is finalized, the Traceability Vocab will end
>> > up with VCs that represent all aspects covered by the proposed rule,
>> > and we welcome collaboration from folks like Bob who clearly also
>> > have some experience on food safety and ag track and trace side of
>> > things on the Vocab itself:
>> > https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab
>> >
>> > Mike Prorock
>> > CTO, Founder
>> > https://mesur.io/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 9:41 AM Charles E. Lehner <
>> > charles.lehner@spruceid.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear CCG,
>> > >
>> > > I shared on the Secure Scuttlebutt Network about the upcoming
>> > > "Intro to VCs in Supply Chain" and about the Traceability Vocab.
>> > > Bob Haugen from Mikorizal Software responded with a question:
>> > >
>> > > > Looks to me like they are focusing on properties of
>> > > > products-to-be-traced, possibly so the actual tracing does not
>> > > > need to be done? Or not?
>> > > >
>> > > > Whereas Valueflows (and my previous experience in actual food
>> > > > supply chains) focus on tracing backward through the recorded
>> > > > material flows. https://valueflo.ws/appendix/track.html
>> > > >
>> > > > So if you had verifiable credentials of eg some food that was
>> > > > poisoned (eg e. coli contamination), that fact would most likely
>> > > > be verified (if at all) only at the point where the poison was
>> > > > discovered, but not to the source of the contamination (feeding
>> > > > animal body parts to other animals) which would most likely not
>> > > > have been verified even then. But by tracing back to the source
>> > > > CAFO (Confined Animal Feeding Operation) and in some cases source
>> > > > animal, the cause might be determined, and then the destinations
>> > > > of the other cuts of the same contaminated animal, or all animals
>> > > > from that CAFO, could be found for a recall.
>> > > >
>> > > > The US Food and Drug Administration (and I expect similar
>> > > > institutions in other countries) require all of those tracking and
>> > > > tracing records to be preserved and available for reporting. The
>> > > > tracking and tracing processes are then something like a web crawl
>> > > > through links from one event to the previous or next events.s.
>> > >
>> > > > [...] But this would be an active issue for us if and only if we
>> > > > are working with a network that wants to use VCs.
>> > > >
>> > > > P.S. my example above was a bit misleading. For feeding animal
>> > > > body parts to other animals, the problem would be mad cow disease
>> > > > (chronic wasting disease, or prions), and not e. coli.
>> > >
>> > > Would anyone have an answer or reference I could pass on to Bob? Or
>> > > might this be addressed in the 101?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Charles
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
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