Re: Zoom is shite

Hi Yancy -- can you share more about what you had in mind?
Thanks,
Kim


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Yancy <email@yancy.lol> wrote:

> Previously I volunteered to help with Jitsi integration, and at the time,
> there was discussion about paying for Zoom premium through proceeds from
> DIF for example.  If there is money to allocate for buying premium hosting
> from organizations like Zoom, it seems like we could instead funnel some of
> those proceeds to help pay volunteers to focus their time.  I too would
> like to see a video service that more aligns with the W3C CCG community
> ethos, but I think we can organize our efforts so unpaid volunteers need
> not shoulder the technical burden.
>
> -Yancy
> On 10/26/20 11:43 AM, Heather Vescent wrote:
>
> Ryan, Amy,
>
> Feel free to volunteer to assist in the Jitsi transition. Current unpaid
> volunteers include all three chairs, Manu & the Jitsi team. We are clocking
> minimum 1-7+ hours *each* per week.
>
> If Jitsi is to be a feasible long term solution, we will need dedicated
> volunteers to navigate/upgrade/fix bugs/etc on an ongoing basis, since I
> don't see operational stability provided by the Jitsi solution. So, as I
> wrote in the first sentence, there is a rich opportunity for _you_ to put
> effort where your typing is and actively support the vision of the future
> you want, rather than complain about not getting your desired experience
> without putting any effort towards it that I have seen to date.
>
> -Heather
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 2:05 AM rhiaro <amy@rhiaro.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am also disappointed to not be able to attend due to these reasons
>> about Zoom, as I was looking forward to hearing about IIW. I hope
>> someone there will be able to take notes, I'll be present in IRC.
>>
>> Amy
>>
>> On 26.10.2020. 07:07, Ryan Grant wrote:
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> > I would like to attend the next W3C-CCG meeting, sure to be full of
>> > juicy IIW news, but I won't be able to attend using Zoom, or
>> > POTS-routed-through-Zoom.
>> >
>> > I uninstalled Zoom after their horrible vulnerability in July of 2019.
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/8/20687014/zoom-security-flaw-video-conference-websites-hijack-mac-cameras
>> >
>> >     Today, security researcher Jonathan Leitschuh has publicly
>> >     disclosed a serious zero-day vulnerability for the Zoom video
>> >     conferencing app on Macs.  He has demonstrated that any website
>> >     can open up a video-enabled call on a Mac with the Zoom app
>> >     installed.  That's possible in part because the Zoom app
>> >     apparently installs a web server on Macs that accepts requests
>> >     regular browsers wouldn't.  In fact, if you uninstall Zoom, that
>> >     web server persists and can reinstall Zoom without your
>> >     intervention.
>> >
>> > I have never reinstalled it, because you don't make a "mistake" like
>> > that if you're moderately culturally aligned with security.
>> >
>> > I was glad I didn't reinstall it when I found out in April that Zoom
>> > was actively using servers under CCP jurisdiction.  You don't make a
>> > "mistake" like that if you care about privacy.
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.secureworldexpo.com/industry-news/zoom-traffic-through-china-data-routing-controls
>> >
>> >     [...]
>> >
>> >     Zoom was routing some of its virtual meeting traffic, and the
>> >     digital keys that keep the meetings confidential, through servers
>> >     in China.
>> >
>> > I was sad today to hear that Zoom is actively censoring paying
>> > customers who talk about political things that Zoom does not want
>> > discussed.  You don't silence people by "mistake".
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/zoom-deleted-events-censorship
>> >
>> >     Zoom Deleted Events Discussing Zoom “Censorship”
>> >
>> >       The action follows the company canceling an event at San
>> >       Francisco State University where Leila Khalid was meant to give
>> >       a talk.
>> >
>> >     on | October 24, 2020
>> >     by | Jane Lytvynenko
>> >
>> >     [...]  “Zoom is committed to supporting the open exchange of ideas
>> >     and conversations and does not have any policy preventing users
>> >     from criticizing Zoom,” a spokesperson for the company said.
>> >
>> >     [...]
>> >
>> >     However, Zoom did not respond to questions about which specific
>> >     policy was violated or whether other events have been shut down by
>> >     the company.
>> >
>> >     Adam Saeed, a student at University of Leeds, said he used his
>> >     personal Zoom account to organize the event.  He told BuzzFeed
>> >     News that the company deleted his event and disabled his account
>> >     without explanation.  He contacted the company's customer support
>> >     line, but said he has not yet heard back.
>> >
>> > Sometimes there's a lot of peer pressure to do a Zoom call.
>> > I won't make the mistake of attending.
>> >
>>
>>
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