Re: ditch voip/sip

Adrian - what are the points of friction that you've experienced with
JitsiMeet?

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:10 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
wrote:

> Every alternative to Zoom that I've experienced adds friction for the
> average attendee. The issue seems to be, how much friction will we tolerate
> on average in order to respect the serious concerns of a few? I will
> survive either way.
>
> - Adrian
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:53 PM Rouven Heck <rouven.heck@consensys.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Heather, I agree - something which reduces the friction for most people
>> to join is important. I personally had often trouble to attend calls
>> because I need SIP only for these calls, not in any other context. Many
>> communities seem pretty happy (at least for now) with Zoom - it's used in
>> Hyperledger, DIF, CCI, etc.
>>
>> Manu, I don't think there is a vendor lock-in risk with Zoom or OtterAi.
>> -> all recordings from Zoom can be stored in mp4 format and transcripts
>> chat & Otter in generic text formats that could be stored on a wiki, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:26 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/20 10:53 AM, rhiaro wrote:
>>> > Also I've had good success with hosted jitsi - which is open source,
>>> and
>>> > can be self-hosted - with medium-sized groups. Their hosted version
>>> > should support 35 people well (with video, I presume more with audio)
>>> > and I think if you self-host it and set it up right it supports a lot
>>> > more (I haven't tried this yet though). Jitsi also has screensharing,
>>> > chat and hand-raising features.
>>>
>>> Agreed, was just thinking along the same lines. If folks want to move to
>>> another platform, let's please not move to a proprietary solution (Zoom
>>> + otter.ai).
>>>
>>> Jitsi is open standards, open source, supports automatic transcription
>>> via jigasi, and would (potentially) integrate more cleanly with existing
>>> tooling. It would probably not cost much more than what we're doing
>>> right now and DB would be willing to pick up that cost.
>>>
>>> Here's the thing that's always stopped us -- someone has to commit to
>>> setting this system up and running it for years (the current system has
>>> been in place for over 6 years now).
>>>
>>> I remember when AOL was going to be around forever and folks migrated to
>>> their services entirely? Remember Google+, all that content, gone.
>>> Accessibility and archival matter. What happens when otter.ai fails, do
>>> we still have all of our transcripts on infrastructure we have control
>>> of?
>>>
>>> My fear is the community is going to go for the easiest choice and get
>>> vendor locked in w/o considering the ramifications of what that means to
>>> the archives and work output of this community.
>>>
>>> -- manu
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>