- From: W3C CCG Chairs <w3c.ccg@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks to Adrian Gropper for scribing this week! The minutes
for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available:
https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-05-12/
Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).
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Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2020-05-12
Agenda:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2020May/0067.html
Topics:
1. Introductions & Reintroductions
2. Announcements & Reminders
3. Progress on Action Items
4. Glossary Effort - Kaliya, Margo, and Drummond
5. New Charter Approval and Next Steps
6. Election of chairs
Action Items:
1. Add SDS calls to announcement
2. chairs track charter comments
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsEEzy901C7XOpqziqOUaKL_uo41_hV0lJkOYEuLI8/edit
Organizer:
Christopher Allen and Joe Andrieu and Kim Hamilton Duffy
Scribe:
Adrian Gropper
Present:
Orie Steele, Kim Hamilton Duffy, Adrian Gropper, Kaliya Young,
Drummond Reed, Nate Otto, Christopher Allen, Yancy Ribbens, Amy
Guy, Gabe Cohen, Dan Burnett, Dmitri Zagidulin, Taylor Kendall,
Anil John, Chris Winczewski, Margo Johnson, Robbie Jones, Erica
Connell, Joe Andrieu, Ryan Grant, Jeff Orgel, Jonathan Holt, Juan
Caballero, Wayne Vaughn, Adrian Hope-Bailie, Joe Kaplan
Audio:
https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-05-12/audio.ogg
Drummond Reed: Note that I can only stay through the first half
of today's call.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/join
Yancy Ribbens: Preset+
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://www.w3.org/accounts/request
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/
Robbie Jones: Per request just now: javaservlets = robbie jones,
ForgeRock.com
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LkqZ10z7FeV3EgMIQEJ9achEYMzy1d_2S90Q_lQ0y8M/edit?usp=sharing
Adrian Gropper is scribing.
Topic: Introductions & Reintroductions
Faceface, please introduce yourself
Anil John: Tech director of DHS technology innvation program -
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Great to have Anil involved
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Sure :)
Kaliya Young: Working on user-centric ID for 15 years and
co-founder IIW. Independent research + community ledership time -
really excited about where we are - started blog pod to bring
blogging back - wery important way to communicate
... my book is coming out in the next weeks: Don=mains of
Identity
Drummond Reed: Congrats on the book!
Topic: Announcements & Reminders
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/announcements/
Kim Hamilton Duffy: http://www.cvent.com/d/fhqnf3/4W
June 8-11 Identiverse
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/vc-ed/blob/gh-pages/README.md
Verifiable Credentials for Education - Mondays 11 ET - working to
deploy in a domain where a lot of progress - Yesterday talk about
Europass - mapped to XML in order to fit with legal requirements
... We have DID Resolution cals on Thursdays 4 PM EST
Dan Burnett: And people laughed at me when my first revamp of the
VC spec (pre-WG) included XML as a data representation . . .
ACTION: Add SDS calls to announcement
Kaliya Young: SDS announcements should be here as well
Topic: Progress on Action Items
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22action%3A+review+next%22
Kaliya Young: That link to Identiverse doesn't work
Kim Hamilton Duffy: We use Github tags - will start with #115
and #116 - repos transferred adopted and ready to move forward.
Closing...
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/105
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/ldp-bbs2020
Jonathan Holt: Comparing BBS+ to Ursa - scribe needs help
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/105
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Orie has taken the lead in moving over to
CCG. Thank you Orie foa all of that work
... notifying that we should all check out that all repos have
been moved, please
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-dvcg/
... ReadMe updated - added some notes to each of the repos -
.. If no objections the chairs will close as next steps
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/117
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Announcing official adoption #117 VP request
spec for CHAPI - mulling a bit longer - ready to adopt this as
work item -
... Accepted
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/94
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Danb: have not had a chance to work on that
with Manu
Topic: Glossary Effort - Kaliya, Margo, and Drummond
Kaliya Young: Here is the glossary link
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gIEPmbtLNVuaHxdawGBe6ZwFqP43m7iqmIEeUUm3sjI/edit#slide=id.g752184a474_0_4
Kaliya Young:
http://eekim.com/2006/06/developing-shared-language/
Glossary effort by Kaliya, Drummond and Margo...
Kaliya Young: http://wiki.idcommons.net/Lexicon
Kaliya Young: At IIW29 a group emerged to work on glossar effort
- reduce marketing confusion - to be one levelup from technical -
for product managers
... inspired to develop shared language - converge on shared
understanding -
... innovated our own approach - to understand how words are
currently used and then support emergent
... slide 3: has SSI, Wallet, Agent, Credential
Margo Johnson: Went through survey results and map into nodes
and edges - Slide 6
... As a group too 27 different responses from companies and
individuals (Slide 7)
... ove months, raw results used inductive research process
(Slide 9) created categories of each of the common themens
... able to rank their importance in terms of (Slide 10)
... Agent had a great diversity (Slide 11)
Kim Hamilton Duffy: This is great work!
... Credentials... Structure Wallet.. controlled by agent
Agent... difficult - software representative of subject
... More interesting were edges - (Slide 12)
... Agents may have wallets , agents support delegation...
Outliers... Drummond: Surprising range of responses - clear that
there is a lot of variance across the community especially since
some don't use the term agent at all. Others were not using
Wallet in a normal way
... overall however there was a lot of commonality - look
through the process - becausae there's a lot of information about
our community
Kaliya Young: The group is looking at what to do next. Three
more terms? Group meets at 2PM PT Mondays.
... need additional / new co-chairs. Please join in.
Juan Caballero: I think the next three terms should be "trust",
"privacy", and "control" <ducks>
Kim Hamilton Duffy: This is valuable work. Seeing the structure
is fantastic. Are you going to publish the methodology?
Drummond Reed: Juan, you just nominated yourself as a new chair!!
Juan Caballero: <Ducking intensifies>
Kaliya Young: We should probably do a formal post
Drummond Reed: Thanks to Kaliya and Margo for their extensive
work and leadership on this project.
Juan Caballero: +1
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Curious for commentary on avoiding SSI.
Dan Burnett: Kaliya, I am interested in participating
Kaliya Young: If people want to tackle SSI join the group
Juan Caballero: Lol to kim
Christopher Allen:
https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/self-sovereign-identity/issues/13
Kaliya Young: Here is a link to the group -
https://dif.groups.io/g/glossary
Orie Steele: SSI ~= Principality_of_Sealand
Juan Caballero: I am 100% not chairing it if the word "sovereign"
is defined, much less SSI !
Kaliya Young: Here is the form to get invite to the meeting -
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeJDqcE1hgmx60zISm4uvJdWPuJhji3Y9fJeXCIENMHr-JB7A/viewform
Kaliya Young: Here are our ongoing meeting notes.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NCzsq7hrHipPN2vmjlWLYwp-8zkAOeEaw4sn15KAtQA/edit#heading=h.lqd5fggl442g
Christopher Allen: Defining SSI is hard - work on portability -
maybe a 2020 version of the principles
Drummond Reed: Ironically, "SSI" was the #1 choice of the survey
respondents of the terms they wanted to see defined. The chairs
decided it was too big a mountain to try climb in the first
go-round.
Orie Steele: ... Because there is no standards org working on a
wallet specification
Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1 To Juan, any terms that sound like a
militia group is best to avoid.
... to wallet discussion: 2 areas not addressed parallel crypto
community - accounts in a wallet - waht is the equivalent in the
credential world
Juan Caballero: Don't tread on me, Kim! Liberate SSI!
... also the addional problem of personas - want to segregate
them from accounts in a wallet
Drummond Reed: Unfortunately I must leave the call early. Looking
forward to progressing the glossary.
Juan Caballero: I've always wondered why the term
persona/personae doesn't circulate more...
... how do those things map to credential wallets - to get to a
joint wallet
Drummond Reed: +1 To Christopher's points that "wallet" should be
able to cover both credentials and currency.
Orie Steele: +1 To ChristopherA... wallets should hold both money
and credentials... or be called something else :)
Anil John: To prevent the re-invention of the wheel -- Has the
work that Darrell O'Donnel has done around Wallets been
incorporated into the wallet discussion?
Anil John:
https://ssimeetup.org/state-digital-identity-crypto-wallets-darrell-odonnell-webinar-22/
Drummond Reed: Must drop now, thanks
Wayne Vaughn: Wallet parallel to crypto - very open to
supporting credentails - could be an adoption path - another pont
is around HD wallets that reduce correlation risk - needs
exploration
Orie Steele: Anil_John excellent link.
Christopher Allen: +1 I'm trying to have our iOS bitcoin wallet
FullyNoded2 support both cryptocurrency & DIDs.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Darrell also had a survey of wallets in
report form -- I'm sure that webinar refers to it
Anil John: Yup.. There is link from the webinar link I provided
above
Juan Caballero: Agropper - triad of request properties:
scope,requester, and purpose ; I want to see some standardization
around these (regardless of whether requests persist as
credentials)
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://www.continuumloop.com/get-digital-wallet-report
Juan Caballero: Meeting time?
Adrian Hope-Bailie: Mentioned the request triplet voabulary
issue
Juan Caballero: 2Pm PST mondays?
Topic: New Charter Approval and Next Steps
Kim Hamilton Duffy:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsEEzy901C7XOpqziqOUaKL_uo41_hV0lJkOYEuLI8/edit?usp=sharing
Kaliya Young: Meetings are 2-3pm pacific on Monday
Kaliya Young: Next one is next week.
Kaliya Young: Here is the link to get a calendar invite
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeJDqcE1hgmx60zISm4uvJdWPuJhji3Y9fJeXCIENMHr-JB7A/viewform
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Discussed April 9 email: 53 responses all
approve . no disapprove - two comments - no time to discuss now
Joe Andrieu: +1 For mentioning the comments.
Kaliya Young: Here is the home page -
https://dif.groups.io/g/glossary
Christopher Allen: +1 Schedule future meeting on comments (but
maybe after election)
... Propose that chairs track the 2 comments as action items
ACTION: chairs track charter comments
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsEEzy901C7XOpqziqOUaKL_uo41_hV0lJkOYEuLI8/edit
Topic: Election of chairs
Joe Andrieu: Best reference is language in the charter itself:
Joe Andrieu:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15_7noTaKsqN-TBR7VgECpy-H-zS05rNds81GyRw95jE/edit?usp=sharing
Christopher Allen: Date set - two week nomination - two week
election if needed
The way this works - two week nomination then two weeks election
- depends on how many nominations - announcing election today
... June 9 formal announcement on behalf of the chairs - self
nomination please - who you are and why
... 3 seats available ... in this election ... A 1 year, B 2
years, C is for 3 years.
Christopher Allen: This is the last election with all three
chairs - hope for new blood - encourage everyone to look into
these - we meet each week online for one hour -
... rotate in running the meetings - Kim did an amazing job
last year - now automated by Kim - so we now manage using Github
issues
... Who will join Kim and Joe who are running for re-election
Joe Kaplan: One of these meetings will be a"town call" to ask
and respond in two weeks
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Want to allay concerns, 3 year commitment is
not strict, for my part, we need to bring in new leadership to
drive a broader range of efforts
... a lot of the time spent on mechanics now allows more time
for planning and vision,
... these seats are not pre-destined to be Joe's and mine so
please run.
... if you have questions we can tell you more - reach out to
us via email - and Kim will set up the call.
Please nominate yourself
Received on Saturday, 16 May 2020 03:16:12 UTC