- From: W3C CCG Chairs <w3c.ccg@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks to Adrian Gropper for scribing this week! The minutes for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-05-12/ Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2020-05-12 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2020May/0067.html Topics: 1. Introductions & Reintroductions 2. Announcements & Reminders 3. Progress on Action Items 4. Glossary Effort - Kaliya, Margo, and Drummond 5. New Charter Approval and Next Steps 6. Election of chairs Action Items: 1. Add SDS calls to announcement 2. chairs track charter comments https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsEEzy901C7XOpqziqOUaKL_uo41_hV0lJkOYEuLI8/edit Organizer: Christopher Allen and Joe Andrieu and Kim Hamilton Duffy Scribe: Adrian Gropper Present: Orie Steele, Kim Hamilton Duffy, Adrian Gropper, Kaliya Young, Drummond Reed, Nate Otto, Christopher Allen, Yancy Ribbens, Amy Guy, Gabe Cohen, Dan Burnett, Dmitri Zagidulin, Taylor Kendall, Anil John, Chris Winczewski, Margo Johnson, Robbie Jones, Erica Connell, Joe Andrieu, Ryan Grant, Jeff Orgel, Jonathan Holt, Juan Caballero, Wayne Vaughn, Adrian Hope-Bailie, Joe Kaplan Audio: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-05-12/audio.ogg Drummond Reed: Note that I can only stay through the first half of today's call. Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/join Yancy Ribbens: Preset+ Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://www.w3.org/accounts/request Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/ Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/ Robbie Jones: Per request just now: javaservlets = robbie jones, ForgeRock.com Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LkqZ10z7FeV3EgMIQEJ9achEYMzy1d_2S90Q_lQ0y8M/edit?usp=sharing Adrian Gropper is scribing. Topic: Introductions & Reintroductions Faceface, please introduce yourself Anil John: Tech director of DHS technology innvation program - Kim Hamilton Duffy: Great to have Anil involved Kim Hamilton Duffy: Sure :) Kaliya Young: Working on user-centric ID for 15 years and co-founder IIW. Independent research + community ledership time - really excited about where we are - started blog pod to bring blogging back - wery important way to communicate ... my book is coming out in the next weeks: Don=mains of Identity Drummond Reed: Congrats on the book! Topic: Announcements & Reminders Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/announcements/ Kim Hamilton Duffy: http://www.cvent.com/d/fhqnf3/4W June 8-11 Identiverse Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/vc-ed/blob/gh-pages/README.md Verifiable Credentials for Education - Mondays 11 ET - working to deploy in a domain where a lot of progress - Yesterday talk about Europass - mapped to XML in order to fit with legal requirements ... We have DID Resolution cals on Thursdays 4 PM EST Dan Burnett: And people laughed at me when my first revamp of the VC spec (pre-WG) included XML as a data representation . . . ACTION: Add SDS calls to announcement Kaliya Young: SDS announcements should be here as well Topic: Progress on Action Items Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22action%3A+review+next%22 Kaliya Young: That link to Identiverse doesn't work Kim Hamilton Duffy: We use Github tags - will start with #115 and #116 - repos transferred adopted and ready to move forward. Closing... Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/105 Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/ldp-bbs2020 Jonathan Holt: Comparing BBS+ to Ursa - scribe needs help Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/105 Kim Hamilton Duffy: Orie has taken the lead in moving over to CCG. Thank you Orie foa all of that work ... notifying that we should all check out that all repos have been moved, please Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-dvcg/ ... ReadMe updated - added some notes to each of the repos - .. If no objections the chairs will close as next steps Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/117 Kim Hamilton Duffy: Announcing official adoption #117 VP request spec for CHAPI - mulling a bit longer - ready to adopt this as work item - ... Accepted Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/94 Kim Hamilton Duffy: Danb: have not had a chance to work on that with Manu Topic: Glossary Effort - Kaliya, Margo, and Drummond Kaliya Young: Here is the glossary link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gIEPmbtLNVuaHxdawGBe6ZwFqP43m7iqmIEeUUm3sjI/edit#slide=id.g752184a474_0_4 Kaliya Young: http://eekim.com/2006/06/developing-shared-language/ Glossary effort by Kaliya, Drummond and Margo... Kaliya Young: http://wiki.idcommons.net/Lexicon Kaliya Young: At IIW29 a group emerged to work on glossar effort - reduce marketing confusion - to be one levelup from technical - for product managers ... inspired to develop shared language - converge on shared understanding - ... innovated our own approach - to understand how words are currently used and then support emergent ... slide 3: has SSI, Wallet, Agent, Credential Margo Johnson: Went through survey results and map into nodes and edges - Slide 6 ... As a group too 27 different responses from companies and individuals (Slide 7) ... ove months, raw results used inductive research process (Slide 9) created categories of each of the common themens ... able to rank their importance in terms of (Slide 10) ... Agent had a great diversity (Slide 11) Kim Hamilton Duffy: This is great work! ... Credentials... Structure Wallet.. controlled by agent Agent... difficult - software representative of subject ... More interesting were edges - (Slide 12) ... Agents may have wallets , agents support delegation... Outliers... Drummond: Surprising range of responses - clear that there is a lot of variance across the community especially since some don't use the term agent at all. Others were not using Wallet in a normal way ... overall however there was a lot of commonality - look through the process - becausae there's a lot of information about our community Kaliya Young: The group is looking at what to do next. Three more terms? Group meets at 2PM PT Mondays. ... need additional / new co-chairs. Please join in. Juan Caballero: I think the next three terms should be "trust", "privacy", and "control" <ducks> Kim Hamilton Duffy: This is valuable work. Seeing the structure is fantastic. Are you going to publish the methodology? Drummond Reed: Juan, you just nominated yourself as a new chair!! Juan Caballero: <Ducking intensifies> Kaliya Young: We should probably do a formal post Drummond Reed: Thanks to Kaliya and Margo for their extensive work and leadership on this project. Juan Caballero: +1 Kim Hamilton Duffy: Curious for commentary on avoiding SSI. Dan Burnett: Kaliya, I am interested in participating Kaliya Young: If people want to tackle SSI join the group Juan Caballero: Lol to kim Christopher Allen: https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/self-sovereign-identity/issues/13 Kaliya Young: Here is a link to the group - https://dif.groups.io/g/glossary Orie Steele: SSI ~= Principality_of_Sealand Juan Caballero: I am 100% not chairing it if the word "sovereign" is defined, much less SSI ! Kaliya Young: Here is the form to get invite to the meeting - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeJDqcE1hgmx60zISm4uvJdWPuJhji3Y9fJeXCIENMHr-JB7A/viewform Kaliya Young: Here are our ongoing meeting notes. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NCzsq7hrHipPN2vmjlWLYwp-8zkAOeEaw4sn15KAtQA/edit#heading=h.lqd5fggl442g Christopher Allen: Defining SSI is hard - work on portability - maybe a 2020 version of the principles Drummond Reed: Ironically, "SSI" was the #1 choice of the survey respondents of the terms they wanted to see defined. The chairs decided it was too big a mountain to try climb in the first go-round. Orie Steele: ... Because there is no standards org working on a wallet specification Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1 To Juan, any terms that sound like a militia group is best to avoid. ... to wallet discussion: 2 areas not addressed parallel crypto community - accounts in a wallet - waht is the equivalent in the credential world Juan Caballero: Don't tread on me, Kim! Liberate SSI! ... also the addional problem of personas - want to segregate them from accounts in a wallet Drummond Reed: Unfortunately I must leave the call early. Looking forward to progressing the glossary. Juan Caballero: I've always wondered why the term persona/personae doesn't circulate more... ... how do those things map to credential wallets - to get to a joint wallet Drummond Reed: +1 To Christopher's points that "wallet" should be able to cover both credentials and currency. Orie Steele: +1 To ChristopherA... wallets should hold both money and credentials... or be called something else :) Anil John: To prevent the re-invention of the wheel -- Has the work that Darrell O'Donnel has done around Wallets been incorporated into the wallet discussion? Anil John: https://ssimeetup.org/state-digital-identity-crypto-wallets-darrell-odonnell-webinar-22/ Drummond Reed: Must drop now, thanks Wayne Vaughn: Wallet parallel to crypto - very open to supporting credentails - could be an adoption path - another pont is around HD wallets that reduce correlation risk - needs exploration Orie Steele: Anil_John excellent link. Christopher Allen: +1 I'm trying to have our iOS bitcoin wallet FullyNoded2 support both cryptocurrency & DIDs. Kim Hamilton Duffy: Darrell also had a survey of wallets in report form -- I'm sure that webinar refers to it Anil John: Yup.. There is link from the webinar link I provided above Juan Caballero: Agropper - triad of request properties: scope,requester, and purpose ; I want to see some standardization around these (regardless of whether requests persist as credentials) Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://www.continuumloop.com/get-digital-wallet-report Juan Caballero: Meeting time? Adrian Hope-Bailie: Mentioned the request triplet voabulary issue Juan Caballero: 2Pm PST mondays? Topic: New Charter Approval and Next Steps Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsEEzy901C7XOpqziqOUaKL_uo41_hV0lJkOYEuLI8/edit?usp=sharing Kaliya Young: Meetings are 2-3pm pacific on Monday Kaliya Young: Next one is next week. Kaliya Young: Here is the link to get a calendar invite https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeJDqcE1hgmx60zISm4uvJdWPuJhji3Y9fJeXCIENMHr-JB7A/viewform Kim Hamilton Duffy: Discussed April 9 email: 53 responses all approve . no disapprove - two comments - no time to discuss now Joe Andrieu: +1 For mentioning the comments. Kaliya Young: Here is the home page - https://dif.groups.io/g/glossary Christopher Allen: +1 Schedule future meeting on comments (but maybe after election) ... Propose that chairs track the 2 comments as action items ACTION: chairs track charter comments https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsEEzy901C7XOpqziqOUaKL_uo41_hV0lJkOYEuLI8/edit Topic: Election of chairs Joe Andrieu: Best reference is language in the charter itself: Joe Andrieu: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15_7noTaKsqN-TBR7VgECpy-H-zS05rNds81GyRw95jE/edit?usp=sharing Christopher Allen: Date set - two week nomination - two week election if needed The way this works - two week nomination then two weeks election - depends on how many nominations - announcing election today ... June 9 formal announcement on behalf of the chairs - self nomination please - who you are and why ... 3 seats available ... in this election ... A 1 year, B 2 years, C is for 3 years. Christopher Allen: This is the last election with all three chairs - hope for new blood - encourage everyone to look into these - we meet each week online for one hour - ... rotate in running the meetings - Kim did an amazing job last year - now automated by Kim - so we now manage using Github issues ... Who will join Kim and Joe who are running for re-election Joe Kaplan: One of these meetings will be a"town call" to ask and respond in two weeks Kim Hamilton Duffy: Want to allay concerns, 3 year commitment is not strict, for my part, we need to bring in new leadership to drive a broader range of efforts ... a lot of the time spent on mechanics now allows more time for planning and vision, ... these seats are not pre-destined to be Joe's and mine so please run. ... if you have questions we can tell you more - reach out to us via email - and Kim will set up the call. Please nominate yourself
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