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Re: 3M Validation Page

From: Karyl Fowler <karyl@transmute.industries>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:11:59 -0500
Message-ID: <CAB7NWmh9sNwaygUUTN=1F2-D1Gan_mA_hJ73O_5Xy_JW0t8eYQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Wayne Chang <wyc@fastmail.fm>
Cc: Tony Rose <tony@proofmarket.io>, steve.e.magennis@gmail.com, Heather Vescent <heathervescent@gmail.com>, Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>, W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
Thanks for sharing the 3M link Wayne; this has spawned a fascinating
discussion. At Transmute, we've spent a lot of time solving for "how can we
verify digital documents across an ecosystem regardless of how they're
managed or where they're stored?" which is a proxy for the larger concern
in supply chain world today, "Data sharing inefficiencies suck, but they
don't suck as bad as risking our IP exposure."

At Transmute, take a similar approach to what Tony described, and we also
have configured Element, the Sidetree-based DID method we use, to
creatively support linking VCs together.

Re: Steve's questioning around inheriting versus establishing brand
reputations; I think it depends on the market. For instance, in luxury
goods, where their business value is their brand reputation, it makes sense
that they'd want to port their existing reputation into the new VC-based
system. Whereas, other industries are struggling to manage/assess vendors'
quality or compliance at all, and would be directly benefited from just
"establishing reputation from scratch.

Best,

-- 


*KARYL FOWLER*Chief Executive Officer
www.transmute.industries

<https://www.transmute.industries/>

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On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:01 AM Wayne Chang <wyc@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> I think it could also be interesting to hear from TradeLens or Komgo, both
> global trade related initiatives, about how they handle the identity
> proofing of actors & assets throughout their system.
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Tony Rose wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Prior to the Proof Market pivot to focus our attention on building the
> MedCreds use case, we had been working on a PoC for verifiable credentials
> in supply chain. It was an extension of my work in Wyoming a couple years
> ago as the CTO/ Cofounder of BeefChain.com where we were using ‘smart
> contract’ type permissioned ledger networks of the Hyperledger Fabric
> style. My insight in working on supply-chain data fragmentation problems
> and trying to use permissioned blockchain networks was that is just creates
> a larger IT data system, it does not really solve for transporting trust
> across IT boundaries, nor does it allow for de-fragementation of data along
> a supply chain to happen in an organic and decentralized fashion.
>
> What we had been building was KnowYourCow.com using a conceptualization of
> “thing-wallets”. This allows data about a thing to move with the thing in
> supply chain, using open source VC tech. So, there was no need for any
> given buyer or seller to “join” a blockchain, they just need a way to
> ingest and transmit VCs. We got pretty far in the tech PoC, but pivoted
> 100% of our resources in March.
>
> Happy to chat about these ideas of thing-wallets in supply-chain in more
> details if there is interest.
>
> Tony
>
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> On Jun 11, 2020, 8:34 AM -0700, Heather Vescent <heathervescent@gmail.com>,
> wrote:
>
> Moses,
>
> Yes, people are looking into verifying data associated with the supply
> chain. That was one thing we explored in this DHS funded report, Sensors,
> Identifiers & Digital Twins: https://bit.ly/GSCreport. You should check
> it out.
>
> I wrote about the broader impact here:
> https://medium.com/in-present-tense/can-supply-chain-transparency-save-the-world-15d7e8d5c11b
>
> It's not just limited to (high) fashion, it has an impact on other supply
> chains, which influences economics, and global trash. There are also some
> major issues - like jurisdiction specific laws. The pharma supply chain is
> the most advanced using this technology due to regulatory compliance. Also,
> all this enables Industry 4.0 - which is a very Elon Muskish manufacturing
> future driven out of Europe.
>
> FWIW, Patagonia is the brand/manufacturing leader in this space. H&M and
> other European brands are following. Sustainability is an important value
> for younger generations. And the Covid crisis is having a major impact on
> fast fashion -- in a good way. Fast fashion is very destructive to the
> environment. It's good to be done with it.
>
> This is a topic we discuss over at the Hyperledger Supply Chain SIG. This
> is one reason I am so keen on digital identity technology for non-humans
> and preparing this data for ML tools. We are so in the early stages of this
> rn. There are a lot of people/companies already exploring these ideas in
> specific verticals and more broadly across the supply chain.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Heather
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 7:25 AM <steve.e.magennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In my mind, supply chain provenance suffers from two key problems:
> enticing participants to take on the extra effort required to participate
> in the system, and ensuring the suppliers are honest in using the system.
> The first issue can be addressed with contractual or legal requirements. I
> imagine there might be a few businesses or industry segments out there that
> see a strategic advantage to being part of a verifiable supply chain and
> seek out systems to participate in, but mostly I would think this is
> something that would be imposed upon them and not without direct or
> indirect compensation. The second problem is more challenging. If a
> supplier has integrity and a good reputation then their mark stands for
> something. On the other hand if a supplier’s operation has not risen to
> that level, then external audits, or certifications by some organization
> that has a sterling reputation must be invoked. For the lux goods example,
> this might mean industry standards organizations but might also have to be
> the brand itself, meaning they might need to be responsible for ensuring
> the integrity of the entire chain (think Starbucks coffee provenance
> system). Do trusted governance ecosystems ensuring material and
> manufacturing quality need to exist at each stage of the supply chain
> before a brand can promote provenance in a meaningful way, even before VC’s
> come into play? Can / should a brand take on some of the missing pieces? If
> the assembly factory is awesome but the tannery that supplies the leather
> is less so, is that still OK as far as the brand is concerned?
>
>
>
> From the brand and consumer perspective there is clear and direct
> value-add. Bootstrapping and sustaining the other participants is more of a
> challenge.
>
>
>
> Others in this group have thought about supply chain much more deeply than
> I have and I’d be interested in differing perspectives.
>
>
>
> -S
>
>
>
> *From:* Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:59 PM
> *To:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: 3M Validation Page
>
>
>
> Wayne Chang's post :
>
> On 6/10/20 4:30 PM, Wayne Chang wrote:
>
> This page lets you to "pull" credentials based on 3M identifiers printed on the product packaging: https://safeguard.3m.com/Guest#/Validation - I think it's an interesting exhibit as we explore the right roles for VCs across e-commerce and battling counterfeit goods.
>
> ... got me thinking.
>
> The luxury fashion brand Alyx is piloting a blockchain using QR codes to
> display where materials were sourced, where manufacturing took place and
> where the product was shipped to. And the luxury brand conglomerate LVMH
> has partnered with ConsenSys and Microsoft to create the traceability
> platform called AURA where details of a particular item can be checked to
> confirm its authenticity, confirming whether the item is genuine. This
> allows them to combat grey goods, and can theoretically assure ethical and
> sustainable manufacture.
>
> Still I'm tired of thinking about COVID, I'm taking a break to daydream --
> and wondering if vreifiable credentials could be used in the fashion
> industry?
>
> So I have some questions...
>
>
>
> 1) Because the cost of transaction is relatively high, AURA is likely to
> remain the preserve of high-end luxury goods, where anti-counterfeiting is
> the primary use case. So this leads me to wonder... would a VC be cheaper
> than writing a record a blockchain?
>
>
>
> 2) If these brands wish to create a more intimate connection the consumer,
> it might be smarter to do something like this: Imagine Beyonce's Ivy Park
> activewear line included a VC. Why? Because Beyonce has been attacked over
> social media for using Sri Lankan factories paying 2¢/hr for labor. A chain
> of VCs could theoretically verify a chain of ethical manufacture, and also
> ensure compliance with sustainability goals. Plus, that VC provides a one
> time pass to receive a free song, that is not available commercially. Would
> anyone be up to helping me think this through as a gedanken exercise to
> understand VCs better?
>
>
>
> Anyway, something like this feels interesting to me, because it isn't the
> same old Alice/Bob in a supply chain example. Has anyone put thought into
> this sort of thing already?
>
>
>
> Moses
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