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Re: Naming EDVs for all (Was: Re: [MINUTES] W3C Credentials CG Call - 2020-01-21 12pm ET

From: Juan Caballero <juan.caballero@spherity.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 14:15:25 +0100
Message-ID: <CADwrvqMLn0i2=0Qxg_exPXeGmkAYXE1gUAPvdWsTJB70RFEmBQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Keerthi Thomas <thomas.keerthi@gmail.com>
Cc: Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com>, Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>, Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>, public-credentials@w3.org
BitLocker is taken, no? I just used it on my new windows laptop last week.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4530477/windows-10-finding-your-bitlocker-recovery-key

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On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 1:57 PM Keerthi Thomas <thomas.keerthi@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bitlocker is a trademark of Microsoft
> https://trademarks.justia.com/775/98/bitlocker-to-77598061.html
>
> It's also stated on Microsoft website:
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/trademarks/en-us.aspx
>
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020, 12:44 pm Jim Goodell, <jgoodell2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> “Safe” can mean more than one thing, e.g. physical thing, conditional
>> state.
>>
>> “Locker” is a more concrete and unambiguous analogy. So BitLocker,
>> BitVault or DigitalLocker are good, except weak on conveying mobility. But
>> perhaps physical mobility isn’t the important quality to convey anyway. It
>> seems to me more about ubiquity, always available, (via internet) rather
>> than the person carries it with them (like on a flash drive)
>>
>> Might need to check if chosen name is registered trademark
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2020, 11:41 AM, Steven Rowat <
>> steven_rowat@sunshine.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 2020-01-31 8:16 am, Adrian Gropper wrote:
>> > IndiaStack uses Digilocker. It’s in the context of other
>> > identity-linked services.
>> > https://www.indiastack.org
>>
>> Interesting. And I think the simplest description of what is being
>> stored is "bits", so perhaps:
>> Bit Locker
>> or
>> Bit Safe
>> Bit Box
>>
>> I'm unsure about 1 vs. two words. A single word would be nice, but
>> there are at least two concepts needed, possibly three: portable safe
>> data. Getting that in one word might be tricky unless it's camel case.
>>   :-)
>> SafeDataBox
>> BitLockBox
>> BitBox
>> BitSafe
>>
>> But camel case won't fly for the general public I think, and anyway
>> it's easy to forget the capital or miss it in a transcription.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> >
>> > I have tried to steer them in the direction of standards, so far
>> > without much success.
>> >
>> > Adrian
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Steven Rowat
>> > <steven_rowat@sunshine.net <mailto:steven_rowat@sunshine.net>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >    Hello,
>> >    In the discussion of the Jan 21 CCG call, the section quoted at
>> >    the end of this email shows to me that there's a general name
>> >    discussion required around EDVs (Encrypted Data Vaults). "Wallet"
>> >    is rejected because it has other uses. There's no consensus yet.
>> >
>> >    I believe this is like what happened around "Digital Identifiers",
>> >    where the whole CCG list got involved, because, as Dave Longley
>> >    notes at the end of the quote, the naming needs to satisfy the
>> >    general public as well as developers and codewriters.
>> >
>> >    And I began to think up some possibilities for "safe storage" that
>> >    already exist in the physical world, perhaps to get the ball
>> >    rolling in such a discussion. These are:
>> >
>> >    Safe     [banks, homes]
>> >    Safe Drop   [couriers]
>> >    Safety Deposit Box    [banks]
>> >    Deposit Box  [banks, post office]
>> >    Lockbox   [real estate, travel]
>> >    Storage    [rental lockers, computer storage]
>> >    Strongbox   [rental lockers, banks, homes]
>> >    Secure Sockets   [HTTPS, SSL]
>> >    Trunk   [travel luggage]
>> >    Suitcase   [travel luggage]
>> >    Container    [shipping trade]
>> >
>> >    I believe both "safe" and "mobile" need to be implied, and I'm
>> >    unsure whether the word "data" is best used or not. So at this
>> >    point my own preferences would be combinations like:
>> >    Data Lockbox
>> >    Safe Box
>> >    Data Safe
>> >
>> >    etc.
>> >
>> >    Other opinions?
>> >
>> >
>> >    On 2020-01-29 8:19 pm, W3C CCG Chairs wrote:
>> >      > Manu Sporny: ...We, as an organization, want
>> >      >    to focus on portability, CHAPI, moving wallets, etc. simpler
>> use
>> >      >    cases. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
>> >      > Joe Andrieu:  I put myself on the queue - to push back on
>> >      >    language around wallet vs. vault that Manu used. Naming is
>> hard,
>> >      >    attempting to be constructive.
>> >      > Orie Steele: "Wallet" is a terrible name :( ... names are hard...
>> >      > Drummond Reed: The DIF Glossary Project is drilling deep into
>> >      >    community definitions of "wallet", "agent", and "credential".
>> >      >    It's amazing how diverse some of the responses are.
>> >      > Joe Andrieu:  ChristopherA and I wrote a topic for the last
>> >      >    rebooting - spoke about how "Identity Wallets" and "Crypto
>> >      >    Wallets" have similarities, trying to find similarities
>> >      >    architecturally. Crypto wallets are not in your hardware
>> >      >    wallet... a wallet is how you control access to your stuff,
>> not
>> >      >    the actual store that has it. A good crypto wallet could have
>> >      >    Bitcoin, Ethereum, AltCoins, but the way that tech works is
>> that
>> >      >    the important stuff is not in the wallets.
>> >      > Adrian Gropper: +1 To Joe's and Drummond's comments on "wallet"
>> >      > Stephen Curran: "Wallet" in mainstream usage is the app you have
>> >      >    on your phone. It's not the bit of the any "thingy" (agent,
>> >      >    whatever) that stores things. Using that term is fighting a
>> >      >    losing battle.
>> >      > Joe Andrieu:  The interfaces that we use to get access to stores
>> >      >    vs the stores themselves are important. We also need a good
>> >      >    separation between those so we can move EDVs around w/o
>> changing
>> >      >    front-end wallet.
>> >      > Dave Longley: There's probably also a naming issue here where the
>> >      >    general public will understand "wallet" as all of the
>> >    layers, but
>> >      >    developers/technologists should understand there are more
>> layers
>> >
>> >
>> >    Steven Rowat
>> >
>>
>>
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