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Re: Hygiene for a computing pandemic: separation of VCs and ocaps/zcaps

From: Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org>
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2020 10:25:56 -0500
To: "Mark S. Miller" <erights@gmail.com>
Cc: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>, Alan Karp <alanhkarp@gmail.com>, Dominic Wörner <dom.woe@gmail.com>, Kaliya IDwoman <kaliya-id@identitywoman.net>, Wayne Chang <wyc@fastmail.fm>, public-credentials@w3.org
Message-ID: <877dpvufaz.fsf@dustycloud.org>
+1, well said.

Mark S. Miller writes:

> We want a VM / kernel to be a neutral simple predictable framework of
> rules, facilitation the ability of diverse, separately interested players
> to cooperate while protecting themselves from each other’s misbehavior.
>
> All discretionary judgement should be by diverse players of the system,
> none of which are privileged by the system.
>
> The rule of law-like systems.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 6:38 PM Christopher Lemmer Webber <
> cwebber@dustycloud.org> wrote:
>
>> Christopher Lemmer Webber writes:
>>
>> > But let's think about why the moving-forward-in-time VM execution is
>> > separated from the allegations-of-information retrospective that is
>> > "claims" and "credentials".  And it comes down to this phrase:
>> >
>> > Your VM is dumb.
>>
>> This might be misread as an insult against whatever virtual machine you
>> think I think you're implementing or using.  It isn't; it's actually
>> kind of arguing that we embrace this as a feature; the virtual machine
>> doesn't know about and doesn't care about making
>> identity-judgement-reasoning calls as it runs.  But things that do can
>> *hook into* the system, as entry and exit points.
>>
>> Hope that's clearer.
>>
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