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Re: Important Issue for Immunity Credentials

From: Alex Puig <alex@caelumlabs.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 08:16:31 +0200
Message-ID: <CAHdUGAGPki=JXmzOLOeffpVsotQDoKe9W4V1K4CXs=S3en9z6A@mail.gmail.com>
To: "D.W.Chadwick" <info@verifiablecredentials.info>
Cc: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>, Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>, Christopher Allen <ChristopherA@lifewithalacrity.com>, Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
Thanks!!!
In fact we only need the Subject :)

Alex

El mié., 8 abr. 2020 a las 7:22, D.W.Chadwick (<
info@verifiablecredentials.info>) escribió:

> Hi Alex
>
> here is one for you, without the proof, which is not needed for JWT
>
> {
>      "@context": [
>          "https://www.w3.org/2018/credentials/v1",
>          "https://www.nhs.org/VCcontext/v1"
>      ],
>      "id": "https://nhs.org/credentials/3732",
>      "type": ["VerifiableCredential", "Covid19Immunity"],
>      "credentialSubject": {
>          "id": "did:key:jwt:ebfeb1f712ebc6f1c276e12ec21",
>          "issuanceDate": "2020-04-01T19:23:24Z",
>          "expirationDate": "2020-04-01T19:33:24Z",
>          "covid19ImmunityCert": {
>              "name": "David Chadwick",
>              "dateOfBirth": "01/01/1980",
>              "dateOfTest": "02/04/2020",
>              "testNumber": "376012345612345",
>              "testResult": "scientific details here",
>              "validUntil": "01/10/2020"
>          }
>      }
> }
>
>
> Any help with filling in the testResult would be very useful
>
> Kind regards
>
> David
>
> On 08/04/2020 16:34, Alex Puig wrote:
> > For now, a VC example in JSON would do the job.
> >
> > Anyway, we are working with a well known epidemiologist, who can help
> > us on this.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > El mié., 8 abr. 2020 a las 6:32, D.W.Chadwick
> > (<info@verifiablecredentials.info
> > <mailto:info@verifiablecredentials.info>>) escribió:
> >
> >     Hi Alex
> >
> >     do you want a VC example in JSON, or a signed example using JWT?
> >     These
> >     are the only ones I have. If you want a ZKP or JSON-LD signed one you
> >     will need to ask someone else.
> >
> >     Note that the example we are using is not a medically correct one,
> >     but
> >     rather is a template that will need to be completed with medical
> >     details
> >     once these have been standardised. Perhaps Adrian might be able to
> >     fill
> >     in more details?
> >
> >     kind regards
> >
> >     David
> >
> >     On 08/04/2020 15:58, Alex Puig wrote:
> >     > This is relevant to me.
> >     >
> >     > We are working on an implementation of
> >     > https://github.com/DP-3T/documents using Zenroom.
> >     >
> >     > An immunity credential example would help us.
> >     >
> >     > Alex
> >     >
> >     > El mar., 7 abr. 2020 a las 23:27, Adrian Gropper
> >     > (<agropper@healthurl.com <mailto:agropper@healthurl.com>
> >     <mailto:agropper@healthurl.com <mailto:agropper@healthurl.com>>>)
> >     escribió:
> >     >
> >     >     HT to Juan C.
> >     > https://unherd.com/2020/04/how-far-away-are-immunity-passports/
> >     >
> >     >     I would ask: IWhat is the role of VC relative to local or
> >     >     decentralized governance to solving this issue?
> >     >
> >     >     - Adrian
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:10 PM D.W.Chadwick
> >     >     <info@verifiablecredentials.info
> >     <mailto:info@verifiablecredentials.info>
> >     >     <mailto:info@verifiablecredentials.info
> >     <mailto:info@verifiablecredentials.info>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >         Hi Moses
> >     >
> >     >         over the last week or so we have developed a proof of
> >     concept
> >     >         COVID-19
> >     >         Immunity Certificate application demonstrator built on our
> >     >         application
> >     >         independent verifiable credential middleware. We would
> >     like to
> >     >         participate in challenge (1) headed by Victoriano. I am
> >     >         currently in the
> >     >         process of making a video of our demo
> >     >
> >     >         Kind regards
> >     >
> >     >         David
> >     >
> >     >         On 08/04/2020 06:51, Moses Ma wrote:
> >     >         > Hi Christopher et al,
> >     >         >
> >     >         > You're absolutely right. This is why we have
> >     recruited: Dr. Ab
> >     >         > Osterhaus to join our team - he is one of the world's
> >     >         leading experts
> >     >         > in coronaviruses, and his team was first to sequence the
> >     >         SARS virus,
> >     >         > Dr. Tony Cox - a data scientist who specializes in
> >     >         epidemiology, and
> >     >         > Triall.io - a clinical research organization that has run
> >     >         over 30
> >     >         > Phase I-IV trials and is the developer of the first
> >     >         blockchain tool
> >     >         > for clinical trials. All of our proposed pilots will
> >     adhere to
> >     >         > clinical research methodologies that preserve patient
> >     >         privacy and
> >     >         > insure validated data production.
> >     >         >
> >     >         > However, what we could use more of are privacy experts
> who
> >     >         can quickly
> >     >         > produce innovative working solutions.
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Two challenges we've identified are: (1) the use of
> >     verifiable
> >     >         > credentials to serve as digital certificates of immunity,
> >     >         and (2) the
> >     >         > possibility of developing interoperable contact
> >     managers and
> >     >         globally
> >     >         > unique IDs to enable international travel. A big thanks
> to
> >     >         Victoriano
> >     >         > Giralt for stepping up to manage the first one, but I
> >     think
> >     >         we still
> >     >         > need to find a MacGyvered approach to solving the
> >     second...
> >     >         in a way
> >     >         > that has a low barrier to federation and adoption. To be
> >     >         brutally
> >     >         > honest, we are triaging a solution, and we need to see
> >     >         reality clearly
> >     >         > as to whether DIDs can add value short term.
> >     >         >
> >     >         > If you'd like to work on these sub-projects, please let
> me
> >     >         know.
> >     >         > Again, this is an action-primary team that will need
> >     to deliver
> >     >         > software on an super-agile basis.
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Anyway, I promised to share the recording of our first
> >     call
> >     >         so you
> >     >         > know what we're up to, and you can find it here:
> >     >         >
> >     >
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqhpum88k28usti/Zoom-DefenderDIDcall-040620.mp4?dl=0
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Finally, I'll try to make time for CCG calls, but I'm
> >     getting
> >     >         > exponentially busier these days.
> >     >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Stay healthy everyone!
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Moses
> >     >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >         > PS, thisis a very interesting article about user
> >     acceptance
> >     >         of contact
> >     >         > managers:https://045.medsci.ox.ac.uk/user-acceptance -
> >     >         respondents
> >     >         > were most concerned about “government using the app as an
> >     >         excuse to
> >     >         > increase surveillance after the epidemic”.
> >     >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >         > <https://045.medsci.ox.ac.uk/user-acceptance>
> >     >         >
> >     >         > On 4/7/20 10:19 AM, Christopher Allen wrote:
> >     >         >> As was discussed briefly in the call today, if we are
> >     going
> >     >         to talk
> >     >         >> about #Covid19 technology solutions, we must partner
> with
> >     >         health &
> >     >         >> epidemiological experts to do it right.
> >     >         >>
> >     >         >> For instance, it has been proposed that we support some
> >     >         kind of
> >     >         >> digital immunity certificate. Even if we ignore its
> >     possible
> >     >         >> human-rights & privacy risks, it can have still have
> >     risky
> >     >         public
> >     >         >> health care choices:
> >     >         >>
> >     >         >>
> >     https://unherd.com/2020/04/how-far-away-are-immunity-passports/
> >     >         >>
> >     >         >> “If you issue immunity passports on this basis, /barely
> a
> >     >         third /of
> >     >         >> the people you give them to will actually be immune.
> >     >         “There’s nothing
> >     >         >> peculiar about this statistically,” Kevin McConway, an
> >     >         emeritus
> >     >         >> professor of statistics at the Open University, told me.
> >     >         “It’s just
> >     >         >> Bayes’ theorem
> >     >         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem>.” The
> >     >         >> likelihood of you having had Covid-19, if you’ve had a
> >     >         positive test,
> >     >         >> depends not just on the accuracy of the test but on the
> >     >         prevalence in
> >     >         >> the population you’re looking at.
> >     >         >> …
> >     >         >> In the end, that’s going to be a horribly cold-blooded
> >     >         calculation.
> >     >         >> If you let people out when they’re 90% likely to be
> >     immune,
> >     >         that
> >     >         >> means one person in 10 is going to be at risk of
> >     getting and
> >     >         >> spreading the disease. Is that risk a price worth paying
> >     >         for reducing
> >     >         >> the real costs (economic, social, physical, mental) of
> >     >         isolation? I
> >     >         >> don’t know and I’m glad I don’t have to work it out. But
> >     >         someone has
> >     >         >> to. And they’ll have to start by getting a reasonably
> >     >         effective test,
> >     >         >> and testing hundreds of thousands of people, to see how
> >     >         many of us
> >     >         >> have had it.”
> >     >         >>
> >     >         >> — Christopher Allen
> >     >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >         > --
> >     >         >
> >     >         > *Moses Ma | Managing Partner*
> >     >         >
> >     >         > moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com
> >     <mailto:moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>
> >     >         <mailto:moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com
> >     <mailto:moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>> | moses@ngenven.com
> >     <mailto:moses@ngenven.com>
> >     >         <mailto:moses@ngenven.com <mailto:moses@ngenven.com>>
> >     >         >
> >     >         > v+1.415.568.1068 | skype mosesma |
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> >     >         <http://linktr.ee/moses.tao/>
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> >     >         >
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> >     >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Or whet your appetite by reading /Agile Innovation/
> >     >         >
> >     >
> >      <
> http://www.amazon.com/Agile-Innovation-Revolutionary-Accelerate-Engagement/dp/B00SSRSZ9A
> >
> >     >
> >     >         > | /Quantum Design Sprint/
> >     >         >
> >     >
> >      <
> https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Design-Sprint-Application-Disruptive/dp/1799143864
> >
> >     >
> >     >         > | my blog at /psychologytoday.com/
> >     <http://psychologytoday.com/>
> >     >         <http://psychologytoday.com/>
> >     >         > <http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-tao-innovation
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