- From: Stephen Curran <swcurran@cloudcompass.ca>
- Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:11:07 -0800
- To: rhiaro <amy@rhiaro.co.uk>
- Cc: "W3C Credentials CG (Public List)" <public-credentials@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAFLTOV6aU7ae_bOj2PT9hkUy6yfwiY5eA=KTJQJLUxH=DQoBMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Agree on both counts about Zoom transcription, Amy. I didn't realize scribes were doing real time typing in the call. #impressive #scary Totally agree on your point, Heather. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:07 AM rhiaro <amy@rhiaro.co.uk> wrote: > Also the Zoom transcript shows up a little after the call, not live > during it, so it wouldn't let people read along [and interject via text > if desired] as the call took place (which our currently scribing does). > > On 18.11.19. 20:59, rhiaro wrote: > > If the Zoom automatic transcript works it'll put the scribes out of a > job!! > > > > Seriously, is it good? Would it work well with all the jargon and > > different accents on the calls? But I can't imagine it would be very > > accurate, that seems way too futuristic.. And in my experience > > correcting a slightly off transcript takes as long as just transcribing > > it from scratch, but perhaps zoom has better tools. I suspect what would > > happen is everyone would assume the transcript is fine without checking > > it, until at some point in the future we have to go back and confirm > > what someone said. Additional overhead would be adding in > > proposals/resolutions, and segmenting by topic headings. > > > > In answer to the question Stephen, the audio is transcribed in IRC in > > real-time by a human (the scribe) with varying amounts of accuracy > > depending on how fast different people type. > > > > Amy > > > > On 18.11.19. 20:47, Stephen Curran wrote: > >> Thanks again, Manu. > >> > >>> hope my response wasn't taken as me thinking it was a "dumb" > question > >>> (re-reading my semi-ranty response, I can see how one may have come to > >>> that conclusion)... If I did, I apologize, that was not my intent. > >> Definitely fine. I was serious about putting that information into a > >> FAQ so the next person asking (there will be more...) can be directed > >> to that. > >> > >> IRC - the list of features you mentioned are not compelling to me as > >> other than tradeoffs (vs. showstoppers). Thanks to Amy though for > >> mentioning what I thought may be the case - IRC is used between > >> meetings not just within meetings. I thought that might be the case. > >> Consolidating on a single chat system is as hard as ever in the > >> current landscape. The other specific question I had is whether IRC > >> (or something) is doing real-time call transcription? > >> > >>> I personally don't > >>> think there is a big barrier to joining the calls (you can use a phone, > >>> you can use the Web, you can use a native client... we support it all, > >>> but the SIP clients kinda suck... onsip is great, but maybe people have > >>> issues with that one as well?). > >> I'll reread the guidance on how to join. Last I checked it was phone > >> and SIP only for audio. > >> > >> From Brent: > >>> Zoom chat only exists for the duration of the calls and I wouldn't > >> recommend using it as the place to scribe or queue. > >>> My preferred setup would be Zoom for audiovisual and IRC for notes, > >> queuing, and conversation. > >> > >> When you record a Zoom call, you get the chat record as well, so it > >> does last longer, if you choose to use it. The challenge with > >> combining multiple systems in a single call is that the transcription > >> would not know who is talking, which is pretty important. > >> > >> Thanks for the feedback. > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:53 AM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com > >> <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote: > >> > >> On 11/17/19 12:46 PM, Stephen Curran wrote: > >> > Interesting arguments, and the accessibility is the one that > >> > resonates. Thanks for taking the time to send them. I'm hoping > that > >> > you take that email and put it in a document for others dumb > enough > >> > to start this conversation again. > >> > >> I hope my response wasn't taken as me thinking it was a "dumb" > >> question > >> (re-reading my semi-ranty response, I can see how one may have come > to > >> that conclusion)... If I did, I apologize, that was not my intent. > >> > >> It's a good question, and one where people want to do something > about > >> it. We're at the point where someone actually has to do the work, > and > >> that person that does the work should be aware that the system has > >> more > >> requirements that may appear at first blush. > >> > >> > If you do, please add what it is that IRC brings to this vs. any > >> > other in-conference chat system (like the one in Zoom, for > example). > >> > >> Queue management, everyone being able to control the voice system, > >> systems control (aside from queue, audio... publication of minutes, > >> etc.)... accessibility (IRC has lots of clients, a number of them w/ > >> decent accessibility... allowing someone that's blind/deaf to > control > >> all parts of the call). I'm in a rush typing this out, there are > other > >> things, but they escape me in my haste. > >> > >> > I don't see that the "missing" features listed are actual > >> > requirements but rather as ways to keep things working as they > have > >> > in the good old days. > >> > >> Well, things work the way they do because they've evolved over the > >> past > >> 20+ years to meet everyone's needs. That said... > >> > >> > No response needed, we've both made our points. While I would love > >> > to see a change, I'm good to end this discussion on a "we > disagree" > >> > basis. > >> > >> I don't think we disagree as much as you might think. I personally > >> don't > >> think there is a big barrier to joining the calls (you can use a > >> phone, > >> you can use the Web, you can use a native client... we support it > all, > >> but the SIP clients kinda suck... onsip is great, but maybe people > >> have > >> issues with that one as well?). > >> > >> I'd like to see us try to get Zoom working as an option (for audio > >> bridge only) since people seem to like it. The screen sharing stuff > >> concerns me, but that's manageable if we require all presentations > >> to be > >> sent out in accessible forms or for presenters to be aware that not > >> everyone can see the screen. Moving away from IRC concerns me, > because > >> of the special privileges, vendor lock in, and cost associated with > >> running Zoom rooms and taking minutes. All of this is work, and > >> something I can volunteer our folks to do... but if there is an > >> enterprising individual in this group that would like to tackle > >> Zoom, by > >> all means, go at it, just please be sure to take heed of the > previous > >> requirements... if you don't, people will complain (and some of them > >> will have really good reasons for complaining). > >> > >> -- manu > >> > >> PS: The irony here is that W3C uses WebEx for WG meetings, a mostly > >> proprietary system, for their WG calls... the plan was for it to be > >> temporary... but now it doesn't seem like it's going to be > temporary. > >> > >> -- > >> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny) > >> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > >> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches > >> https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Stephen Curran > >> Principal, Cloud Compass Computing, Inc. (C3I) > >> Technical Governance Board Member - Sovrin Foundation (sovrin.org) > >> > >> /Schedule a Meeting: //https://calendly.com/swcurran/ > >> > > > > -- Stephen Curran Principal, Cloud Compass Computing, Inc. (C3I) Technical Governance Board Member - Sovrin Foundation (sovrin.org) *Schedule a Meeting: **https://calendly.com/swcurran <https://calendly.com/swcurran>*
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