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Re: Identity Hubs and Agents

From: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:42:07 -0400
Message-ID: <CANYRo8ibBuwFx95BK=9rj=SdeSebqfrBa3Kz1wfz8x74WSPg2A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
Cc: W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
First, I apologize for introducing two google docs into the conversation.
It's because the original doc was just for the DIF Slack and a couple of
individuals. When that did not result in discussion around the Hubs and
Agents paper, I escalated and eventually it turned out to be a bigger deal
than I originally thought. I would be happy to lock and post the documents
to anywhere. Please let me know where.

more inline...

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:54 AM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
wrote:

> On 8/14/19 11:42 AM, Adrian Gropper wrote:
> > I have asked two related questions about hubs and agents: July 25:
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11BLUhBCsB_uB_Df7k2kRQT0blHB8YSim4WJeL5F-6FM/edit
>
> Hey Adrian, good stuff. I responded to your write up above with how the
> Secure Data Hub design deals with the issues you raised.
>

Thank you. I replied to your comments and, per my apology above I am happy
to lock the docs move the discussion to anywhere.

>
> > August 13:
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aA9bOF9EndFpapyk4_sXLZt-7_8TGyeM9A-OScc_rdo/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I had nothing to add here as I don't know what you're asking. It feels
> like a bunch of statements about what an agent can be.
>

I am asking to make our terminology more precise. Consider this doc
including the sequence diagram input into the terminology discussion. I
assume the chairs will decide the agenda issue.

>
> ... and I've always found the "Agent" terminology incredibly confusing
> as it's all things to all people, just like "identity" means something
> different every time you talk about it w/ someone.
>
> That said, I defer to the community to come up with better
> terminology... there are people that care more than me about what we
> call these things that take action on our behalf within this ecosystem.
>

This needs to be done soon.

-- Adrian

>
> > Please HELP ME do this job by responding - privately or publicly -
> > when I ask a question. I think I can help.
>
> I've responded to your first item... BUT, and here's the issue, you're
> using a proprietary system to have the discussion... that Google Doc is
> under your control and may disappear when you decide to close your
> account/move service providers.
>
> Some of the people on this mailing list are not allowed to use Google
> Docs at work, which makes it impossible for them to participate.
>
> We try to avoid using proprietary systems when discussing open standards
> because the discussions that led up to the open standard are very
> important to be able to reference in the future.
>
> W3C has a forever archival policy and there is a clear line of
> organizations that will step up, going all the way up to the Library of
> Congress and then the European Union, IIRC, that will keep an archived
> record of these conversations for as long as human culture is around.
>
> Google Docs does not meet that level of archival and accessibility. W3C
> mailing lists do, please try to keep important discussions (such as the
> one you've started) on the mailing list so we check those very important
> boxes.
>
> -- manu
>
> --
> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny)
> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches
> https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches
>
>

-- 

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