Re: Credentials CG charter vote result

I'll go through and do a proper review and respond more effectively; noting,

1. The call schedule is currently for the early hours of my morning.  I
believe there were studies (can't find the link) that showed it doesn't
matter where people are in the world, scheduling global activities for
participation at 2am in the morning generally doesn't work for people.   I
guess, that's why the time of the call is not at that hour for you.   I
believe there were two issues about 2am calls, a. attendance and b. people
are grumpy / not at their best ;)

I've been trying to do more advocacy and related work here locally; and as
such, had to make choices.  (believing also, the work was in trusted hands
;) ).

2. The older materials weren't archived or available via some form of
version control; it was just all updated.   So, here am i looking for the
older references and the URIs, far from cool, said a very different story.

3. Someone else asked about commenting on the RWOT Spec and the suggestion
was that it would be better if only those who attended the RWoT event
comment.  :(

4. I then did a review, to see whether my other core assumptions about the
work on VCs (ie: verifiable claim documents) was proceeding as expected;
and saw a bunch of stuff that well..

all very unexpected.

'identity' is too often over simplified and certainly also the subject of
actors seeking to usurp for commercial gains. to do otherwise is so very,
very complicated.  interestingly these issues do not appear to negatively
effect the 'identity' of legal persons ("persona ficta") anywhere near the
prevalence of problems for natural persons.

5. HTTP-SIGNATURES in relation to RDF documents was / is a beautifully
simple solution to a variety of problems. It provided something a WACd
WebID otherwise could not do.  Whilst there are still an array of issues
about how to ensure the integrity of that document (and its secured
references), the previous charter explicitly stated "identity credentials"
and "http signatures"; both are lost in the new version.

I also see the works in OASIS (where some of it started from memory) and
some other dynamics which whilst i'm fully supportive of people doing good
things however they seek to;  felt it wasn't necessarily where i was going
- and the things i most cared about, seemed..

well.  as a consequence of my flagging concerns, some changes have already
happened.  so i guess, some of my points must to some-degree have been
taken into consideration.

i'll have another, better look into it.   I've been busy on related works
with some assumptions in-place, that i'll check are are ok.

As noted; its my view that we need to ensure diversity, which is a very
important attribute of identity, depending on the definition used.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 at 00:02 Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:

> On 10/19/2017 05:23 PM, Kim Hamilton Duffy wrote:
> > * <https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/charter-20140808/>
> >
> > As for the state of the previous work items, they seem to map to
> > more refined work items in progress now (e.g. DIDs) but I'm not
> > familiar with the history, so I'll let someone else weigh in.
>
> I think the general take away is that the group discussed our new
> charter for multiple months, debated it on the calls, sent minutes out
> related to the debate to the mailing list, commented on the charter via
> Google Docs, discussed it at various RWoT events... net net - lots of
> discussion and debate went into the current charter before it was
> accepted per the CG process.
>

I think you flagged this at WWW2017 also.


>
> The new charter we have now had consensus when it was passed at the time
> (and I suspect still has broad consensus).
>

That info should be added to the new charter as it was for the last one.
(ideally, without unnecessarily deleting history).


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