- From: <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 15:46:34 -0400
- To: Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
Thanks to Matt Stone for scribing this week! The minutes
for this week's Verifiable Claims telecon are now available:
http://w3c.github.io/vctf/meetings/2017-05-09/
Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).
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Verifiable Claims Telecon Minutes for 2017-05-09
Agenda:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2017May/0004.html
Topics:
1. Agenda Review and Introductions
2. WG Document Handoff
3. Joining the VCWG
4. Reminder: this is last CG call at this time
5. Open Mic / Community Group Next Steps
6. CG and WG call next week
Action Items:
1. burn to be the chair to work though the publishing process
with manu help
Organizer:
Manu Sporny
Scribe:
Matt Stone
Present:
Matt Stone, Dan Burnett, Manu Sporny, Joe Andrieu, Christopher
Allen, Gregg Kellogg, Dave Longley, Adam Migus, Adam Lake, Rob
Trainer, Colleen Kennedy, Matthew Larson, David I. Lehn
Audio:
http://w3c.github.io/vctf/meetings/2017-05-09/audio.ogg
Topic: Agenda Review and Introductions
Matt Stone is scribing.
Agenda, no change
New Members, none
Topic: WG Document Handoff
Dan Burnett: [1] Verifiable Claims Use Cases (CG Final Report)
https://opencreds.github.io/vc-use-cases/CGFR/2017-05-01/
Dan Burnett: [2] Verifiable Claims Data Model and Representations
(CG Final Report)
https://opencreds.github.io/vc-data-model/CGFR/2017-05-01/
Dan Burnett: No response on the final documents
Manu Sporny: Published the docuements via minutes last week. we
have not objections to date
Manu Sporny: Chairs could use the spec publishing link to
finalize
Manu Sporny: The Chairs will use the following link to publish
the FCGS: https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/spec/publish
ACTION: burn to be the chair to work though the publishing
process with manu help
Manu still planning to work w/ contributors to release the final
IPR
Topic: Joining the VCWG
Dan Burnett: Charter join link is here:
https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/charter.html
Dan Burnett: Please join the Verifiable Claims Working Group if
you plan to participate. This is required to get details for
dial-in etc.
Manu Sporny: Calling out any particpants of this call who aren't
members.
Manu Sporny: Colleen kennedy, matt larson, work with stonematt
to get on the WG
Joe Andrieu: Just submitted the request
Manu Sporny: If you aren't a member, there is an application for
"Invited experts" that the chairs will ultimately accept
Manu Sporny: Expectation is that the invited expert has a
special skill that the group wants or needs
Dan Burnett: Invited expert page:
https://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html
Dan Burnett: Other comments?
Crickets...
Topic: Reminder: this is last CG call at this time
Dan Burnett: Next week the dial-in information will be
different.
Christopher Allen: Doesn't the email list change as well?
Manu Sporny: Yes, it does
Dan Burnett: Chairs will send dialin info to the WG email group.
Manu Sporny: Old one stays around, though... for the CG to use.
Manu cries 1,000 tears as we transition over to WebEx.
Christopher Allen: -1 Uggh.
Gregg Kellogg: DCMI has moved from WebEx to Zoom.
Logging general discontent re: loss of IRC/SIP
Topic: Open Mic / Community Group Next Steps
WG chairs have completed tasks necessary to transistion. handing
off to manu for Open Mic
Manu Sporny: Use Open Mic to discus several items - first up New
Leadership
Manu Sporny: Ack ChristopherA for raising his hand for
volunteering to be CG chair
Manu Sporny: Have also chatting with Kim Hamilton with BlockCert
and Learning Machine - she's interested in co-chairing
Manu Sporny: Kim not present today b/c at an event
Manu Sporny: Have 2, this is an open call for chairs. If we get
more than 3, we'll have to elect. open call will stay active
through the week
Manu Sporny: Unless others volunteer, new chairs will be
ChristopherA and Kim
Christopher Allen: I'm enthusiastic about the broader problem -
particularly the discussion about "what is the broader problem?"
Manu Sporny: Tackle scope last....
Manu Sporny: Poll sent out last night about meeting times for CG
Manu Sporny: General desire is to have CG call adjacent to WG
(before or after).
Manu Sporny: Poll to meeting times:
https://beta.doodle.com/poll/5nexmi56qqhnn25c
Manu Sporny: Please complete the poll, if you have an opinion
Dan Burnett: Suggest keeping WG time as is
Christopher Allen: Both Kim and I prefer the later time
Matt Stone: There wasnt' a vote option for "either works" -
should we add that?
Matt Stone: Noticed a couple chose both, but, that's not
obvious...
Manu Sporny: If it's even it's the chairs perogative
Manu Sporny: Reminder that WG charter is datamodel and syntax -
NOT protocol
Manu Sporny: There are those of us in CG that need protocol
Dave Longley: +1 As protocols and web browser APIs/polyfills and
so forth are out of scope for the WG ... we definitely want it in
scope for the CG.
Matt Stone: +1 For protocols
Christopher Allen: Original CG charter - discuss, research,
prototype and test credential storage for the web....
Christopher Allen: We should take advantage of what the CG can
to do publish reports, etc.
Christopher Allen: What is selective disclosure... latest that
crypto community offerings, etc
Christopher Allen: Incubate mechanisms to exchange claims
Christopher Allen: If something matures, may submit it to WG for
consideration
Christopher Allen: RWoT has DID work that doesn't have a home
right now.
Manu Sporny: We've worked hard to create a technology funnel.
right now, have people working on bleeding edge at places like
RWoT some of which comes into the CG, build support for the work,
eventually matures to a WG
Manu Sporny: Could see this work to continue for the next couple
of year
Manu Sporny: Presume the next CG work becomes WG 2.0 - continue
the funnel.
Manu Sporny: Also have a number of digital signature formats.
we're using them in implementations but WG isn't chartered to
ratify them
Manu Sporny: Digital Bazaar believes DID is critical to portable
claims
Manu Sporny: A detail of DID is that they kindof/sortof require
blockchain... we'll need to bring blockchain into this
discussion more.
Christopher Allen: I bring is clarity on security and crypto
aspects. Kim is a coder, we need active working code. would
like to see more prototypes, examples, etc
Christopher Allen: Me too.
Dave Longley: Largely in agreement - would like some browser
poly-fill work done quickly - important for adoption
Christopher Allen: Poly-fill is also absolutey w3c
Joe Andrieu: Like everthing that's been said. i joined because
i want to give everyone on the planet a legal identity by 2030 -
wondering where this fits
Manu Sporny: "It's in scope when people work on it"
Christopher Allen: +1 UN 16.9
Dave Longley: Another item related to protocol/polyfill: a query
language for asking for certain types of claims
Joe Andrieu: Want to be sensitive to the pipeline
Dan Burnett: Yeah I thought one of the advantages of verifiable
claims was that we didn't have to require identity, only
identifiers
Christopher Allen: Recognize there is political sensitivity
about this sort of language. in our scope to communicate more
effectively about what we mean when we say identity
Manu Sporny: Responding to JoeAndrieu - having pet issues is
fine. especially when it results in a rich ecosystem of
capabilities
Manu Sporny: There may not be a standard for UN 16.9, but we can
make technology that supports that
Adam Migus: +1 To manu's comment about making sure that the
charter and work *support* your pet idea as the best way to
ensure it's tackled
Manu Sporny: Need to declare to what's NOT in scope. Identity
(capital I) is not in scope - too esoteric...
Manu Sporny: We can create technology to solve identity
problems, but we're not the Identity Working Group
Dave Longley: +1 Important to keep in mind w3c politics :)
Adam Migus: +1 To that too :-)
Dan Burnett: Yes, not just w3c. The world disagrees on identity
as well
Manu Sporny: Should review the CG group name.
Adam Migus: Yep!
Dan Burnett: Naming = bike shed topic ("what color should we
paint the bike shed?")
Manu Sporny: As we recharter - it's inevitable that we want to
update name
Manu Sporny: Name change may be difficult logistically
Gregg Kellogg: Publishing documents often means the CG is
complete.
Dave Longley: Voip-vctf: 47f is Christopher Allen
Manu Sporny: Logistically spinning down one group and spinning
up the next requires everyone to rejoin the new group. loose
people that way
Dan Burnett: Yes, better to keep the existing group (and name, if
necessary) than try to start a new CG
Matt Stone: -1 To starting a new group
Dan Burnett: W3C doesn't care too much about naming of CGs
Dan Burnett: Only WGs
Dave Longley: Probably not worth replacing the group w/ the same
people working on generally the same issues isn't worth it
Topic: CG and WG call next week
Dan Burnett: We'll announce times this Friday. chairs of WG
still intend to be involved in the CG. WG call is 11am ET on
Tuesday
Dan Burnett: Thanks to manu for work to date
Dan Burnett: Adjourn.
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