RE: Draft Web and Mobile Interest Group Charter

Apologies if that crossed some boundary of contentiousness; that was not the intent. Rather to state my opinion of the impact of the IG proposal clearly and honestly.

I will leave it at that, and let the voice/silence of CG members take it from here, except to recommend that you do not take silence as consent; that's a presumption too often made in W3C. Better to seek explicit feedback from CG members through a poll etc.

Thanks,
Bryan Sullivan

From: Jo Rabin [mailto:jo@linguafranca.org]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:59 AM
To: SULLIVAN, BRYAN L
Cc: Dominique Hazael-Massieux; public-coremob@w3.org
Subject: Re: Draft Web and Mobile Interest Group Charter

You put this contentiously, and presumably deliberately so.

As I have said before the problem is the exact opposite of your characterisation.

Substantive contributions to date, as far as I am aware, have derived from W3C members. No one who has actually in practice contributed has a change of ability to do so in the proposed transition. We don't have queues of people grumbling about not being able to give their time for nothing to contribute to the work. Staying as a CG isn't going to change that situation.

We do have mechanisms to be inclusive of people who would like to contribute going forward. a) by having a public list and b) by having the ability to invite people to meetings they would like to attend.

This is a public conversation and I have not heard anyone other than W3C members talking about the constitution of the group. Please if you are following this conversation and you're not a W3C member and your proposed contribution would in any way be affected, can you complain?

thanks
Jo

On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:58, "SULLIVAN, BRYAN L" <bs3131@att.com<mailto:bs3131@att.com>> wrote:


So for those that can't join the IG, you are saying "thanks for your efforts, if you want to continue participating send cash, and btw we are taking over your work and shutting your CG down".


Not a good message to send.


Thanks,
Bryan Sullivan, Service Standards | at&t




------ Original message------
From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux
Date: Fri, 4/19/2013 9:52 AM
To: SULLIVAN, BRYAN L;
Cc: jo@linguafranca.org<mailto:jo@linguafranca.org>;public-coremob@w3.org<mailto:public-coremob@w3.org>;
Subject:Re: Re: Re: Draft Web and Mobile Interest Group Charter


Le vendredi 19 avril 2013 à 16:42 +0000, SULLIVAN, BRYAN L a écrit :
> The proposed text was in my comments earlier in this thread. If that's
> not clear enough I can amplify but I think it should be clear from
> that.

> "Observer status is automatically extended to current and future
> members of the CoreMob CG in particular, upon request through the
> public mailing list @@@. Observers in the Web and Mobile Interest
> Group will have the ability to contribute equally in the work of the
> group including virtual and F2F meeting attendance."

Then I don't think this is going to fly. W3C has already an invited
expert status, W3C Membership is available to any company that deems it
worthy, the process allows the Chairs to invite observers to their
discretion, the mailing list would be openly subscribable and postable
by anyone; I don't think pushing that envelope to say that anyone at all
can have full participation status in the group will be acceptable to
W3C management - after all, the promise is that W3C is investing the
resources it is getting from its members to make the IG run.

Dom