- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <GV@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:12:08 -0500
- To: hsivonen@iki.fi
- Cc: public-comments-wcag20@w3.org
- Message-Id: <EA08C561-D8BE-4A5E-9C98-68CE3821DD37@trace.wisc.edu>
Hi Henri, This is a follow-up to our previous email in response to your comment to our public comment list (pasted below). Per our previous email to you, we did not feel it appropriate to make changes to the WCAG 2.0 guidelines themselves. However, we did add one new technique and feel there is room to add more, especially in conjunction with some new possibilities that might be built into HTML 5. Toward this end we thought we would start with some background that led up to our current guidelines, and then describe into where we stand today and techniques - or at least ideas for techniques - that might be considered going forward. Background We have been working with users with disabilities on this topic for over 10 years now. We have received volumes of comments on our drafts over the years and talked with many users with disabilities and Web developers. Our current draft is based on all of this input. Here is a brief synopsis of it. The "alternate text" approach was first developed to allow non-text content (e.g. pictures, applets, audio files etc) that could not otherwise be accessed by many people with disabilities to be accompanied by text that could be turned into visual, auditory or tactile forms to better fit a user's needs. (As we get better tools, it will also allow the content to be translated into sign language, symbols or simpler forms of the same language). The question arises as to when it is important for users to access information or functionality that is in non-text content. Decorative Some places there clearly isn't any information (e.g a decorative scroll in the corner of the page). In these cases there also seems to be agreement that the non-text content should be marked so that it is not presented to users who cannot see it. Redundant Sometimes the information in the non-text content is also presented elsewhere on the page. In this case, the user of assistive technology often detects the non-text content (either because their assistive technology exposes it or because there is a reference to the non-text content present). Our Guidelines require that a short alternate text be provided identifying the non-text content, describing it or telling the user where they can find the longer description. For example "Sales chart - described at bottom of page" or "Sales chart - described in 2nd paragraph following". Some have felt that no alt text was required if there was equivalent text on the page. Others found that it was very confusing when they encountered non-text content but did not know whether it contained information that was not otherwise in the text of the page. Others had problems when people referred to a diagram on the page, for instance, and they did not know that the page contained a diagram or what it was about. However, the success criterion is written in such a way that providing alternate text use an ALT attribute is not the only way of meeting it. If there is some other method for associating alternate text with the non-text content, then that mechanism could be used. For instance, where an image is included in an anchor element along with equivalent link text, the image can be given alt="". We documented another such technique in response to your comment (below). We would be interested in discussing other things that might be included in HTML 5 to allow text that describes non-text content (or provides the same function) to be programmatically associated with the non-text content so that the text on the page can be easily located from the non-text content. Content beyond Author Control You also raised the question of content that will be added later, where the author doesn't have any control of the content and cannot add meaningful alternate text. We recognize this situation and have provided a concept called a "Statement of Partial Conformance". This allows authors to be able to make a statement about the page that does not include the content they can't control. They can't claim the page conforms, because part of it may not. But they can state that the page would conform if that uncontrolled part is not there. We took this approach because we didn't want users to encounter conforming pages that still contained information that was not accessible. On the other hand we wanted a means to recognize pages where the authors have made the page as conformant as possible. If these and our previous comments address your concerns please let us know. If not, we would like to meet with you and discuss them. Along with your comments, we would like discuss ways that HTML 5 could provide new options for associating text descriptions with non-text content so that approaches similar to what you are suggesting might be developed that would work for users with disabilities and also give authors more and better options. I know that your working group likes to work asynchronously but if we could arrange a meeting with you and Mike Smith to explore these issues we think it would be productive. As we need to move forward with WCAG, could you please email or call us this week and let us know if you are OK with the WCAG WG's response? If you are satisfied, but would still like to meet later to explore the topics above, we would also be interested in that. If you are not satisfied, you of course have the option of filing a formal objection, but we would need this right away. We are hoping however that the guidelines as they exist, with the support of techniques which can be added at any time (because WCAG techniques are non-normative), can provide the flexibility that you are looking for. Thanks Looking forward to hearing from you. Gregg Vanderheiden and Loretta Guarino-Reid WCAG Co-Chairs Gregg Vanderheiden gv@trace.wisc.edu Loretta Guarino-Reid lorettaguarino@google.com
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