- From: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 16:01:12 +0300
- To: Lars Borg <borg@adobe.com>
- Cc: Andrew Somers <Andy@GeneralTitles.com>, "public-colorweb@w3.org" <public-colorweb@w3.org>, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
- Message-ID: <20230912160112.7f7842fc.pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 03:21:36 +0000 Lars Borg <borg@adobe.com> wrote: > How about this: > Start with standardized values, from maybe 40 to 10,000. > (Such as 48, 80, 100, 160, 203, 235, 300, 500, 600, 720, 1000) > If some standard values are close together, fake example 200 and 203, drop one. > Fill in large gaps (> 40%? increment) with intermediate values > > These values would be max luminance for small patches. > Some displays can return this value over HDMI, but the value must be > mapped to the limited set to prevent fingerprinting. Hi, are you perhaps referring to EDID CTA-861-H: HDR Static Metadata Data Block? I'd just like to point out that this block in question defines "desired" luminance levels. I don't think it is any kind of promise of emitted luminance levels. My HP Pavilion 27" quantum dot monitor was advertised with 400 cd/m² luminance, but the EDID says desired max luminance is 600 cd/m², for example, and with desired max frame-average luminance of 350 cd/m². In other words, it does not look like these numbers would be usable to correlate with actual viewing environments, assuming you had information about the actual viewing environment. Then again, that's just one example that could as well be explained by EDID being incorrect, as EDID generally is notorious for. > > No ambient info, as: > > * this would require a measurement device. > * Standardized mastering display color volume does not include it SMPTE ST 2086 mastering display information does not include it, but BT.2100 does give guidelines about it in "Reference viewing environment for critical viewing of HDR programme material". I guess assuming that is the best guess. The PQ system uses a display-referred signal, so one could say the signal needs to be displayed as encoded literally. But displays have different capabilities, not to mention different viewing environments. The PQ system can use ST 2086 metadata to describe the display it was mastered for, and BT.2100 recommends a viewing environment, so these should define the intended appearance which could be mapped to the display at hand in the actual viewing environment. However, I'm confused by claims that PQ monitors would display the input signal nit-for-nit up to capability and lack end user adjustments. That would mean any adaptation to the actual viewing environment would need to happen at the video signal source. My monitor indeed disables brightness and contrast adjustments in PQ HDR mode. Thanks, pq
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