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Re: Issues with the UN Convention

From: Edward Chalk <edwardchalk@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 08:34:40 +1000
Message-ID: <CALuG9w-w-twSDhv+xyoHRfhz=ZhbX=_WOaAoHfvxbAr8WE+Yww@mail.gmail.com>
To: "E.A. Draffan" <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Cc: Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>, "public-coga-community@w3.org" <public-coga-community@w3.org>
Hi All,

I understood from yesterday's meeting that cognitive disability is a
different kettle of fish altogether than impairment of the mental
faculties, from a practical perspective.

This is because a cognitive disability means that a person has an
impairment in their ability to collate information from their surroundings,
however they are not impaired in their ability to process that information.
On the other hand, someone who (unfortunately) has a mental disability is
in a reversed position, where they have no problem collating information
but they do have a problem processing it. Subsequently, the paths for these
two categories of people to become full and productive members of society
and enjoy a complete life (which is their unalienable right) are therefore
totally distinct and unrelated.

Hence by decreasing the resolution and the granularity of the demographics
under discussion, the UN document becomes unuseful as a guide to rectifying
the state of the disadvantaged people whom it discusses.

Cheers,

Edward


On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 18:32, E.A. Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear Lisa
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> Many thanks and it is very interesting how long we have all quoted the
> document and how language changes over time or is interpreted in different
> ways.   But I agree if we could get ‘cognitive’ into the initial sentence
> it would cover more impairments.   I am not sure about ‘learning’ as that
> is a process.
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> I don’t think we can leave comments on your google document at the moment.
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> Best wishes
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> E.A.
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> *From:* Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 14 September 2021 08:47
> *To:* public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>;
> public-coga-community@w3.org
> *Subject:* Issues with the UN Convention
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> *CAUTION:* This e-mail originated outside the University of Southampton.
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> Hi Folks
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> I started looking at the UN Convention and it is open to being interpreted
> in a highly discriminatory way.
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> For example article 1 states:
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> "Persons with disabilities include those who have long-term physical,
> mental, intellectual or sensory impairments which in interaction with
> various barriers may hinder their full and effective participation in
> society on an equal basis with others".
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> physical, mental, intellectual or sensory does not clarify that this also
> includes learning and cognitive. It is critical that we clarify that these
> groups are included even when IQ (intellectual) and mental health (also
> called a *mental* illness) are not affected.
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> I made google docs
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1meD06mSclKFIX7U5fOz58thqgAT6jEVLkATiprG-FH8%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7Ca970c75d80184395d6e308d97753fc50%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C637672024870319462%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=49lDWVjGObR4edIf9fKHKtB4GKbjkkgy%2BIZbMMypYHM%3D&reserved=0>
> to collect comments.  I think it is very important.
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> All the best
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> Lisa
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