Re: [EXTERNAL] Automation Summit in Berlin [action required from implementors by 9 August]

As Chair I am happy for Selenium members who are not part of the WG to join
the meeting. There is no value in excluding them. I will discuss with
Christian about long term being an invited expert.

David

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 9:32 PM Sam Sneddon <gsnedders@apple.com> wrote:

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> On 10 Aug 2022, at 21:09, Titus Fortner <titus.fortner@saucelabs.com>
> wrote:
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> Sauce Labs has reserved a conference room (capacity 18) at the Warschauer
> Platz WeWork where our office is located.
>
> We can provide lunch if we get a headcount. Is this right:
> Apple: 2
> Mozilla: 2
> Google: 5
> Sauce Labs: 3
>
> Also, if this is official, how do we add Christian Bromann as an invited
> expert now that he no longer works at Sauce?
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>
> The theoretical answer is “the chair needs to approve any non-WG member”,
> which I don’t think is a high bar to meet for someone with long-standing
> contributions to WebDriver and/or Selenium!
>
> Do we need an explicit agenda? Hopefully we can focus a little more on the
> Selenium collaboration bits since it sounds like there will be TPAC as well
> as another meeting in Europe soon.
>
>
> My suggestion is definitely we lean heavily into Selenium collaboration
> bits given the timing (and the entire reason for the meeting happening),
> potentially inviting others if they can/want to attend?
>
> /Sam
>
>
> Thanks, I'm looking forward to this.
>
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> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 1:04 PM David Burns <david.b@browserstack.com>
> wrote:
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>> This was discussed in the meeting today we are going to go ahead with a
>> WG meeting there. I will get everything in place over the next few days.
>> Our friends from Saucelabs will need to make sure we have a meeting space
>> booked, which I think they have already done.
>>
>> I will send a later email about a future meeting so we can try get
>> everyone together in time as there are members who haven't had enough time
>> to organse getting to Berlin.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 9:32 AM Mathias Bynens <mths@google.com> wrote:
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>>> Now that August 9th has passed, what’s the decision?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 6:13 PM Brandon Walderman <brwalder@microsoft.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> Microsoft won't be able to attend. However, we'd also prefer this as an
>>>> official WG meeting, or at least one with the notes publicly available so
>>>> that we can follow any outcomes and discussions.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Philip Jägenstedt <foolip@google.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 4:38 AM
>>>> *To:* Sam Sneddon <gsnedders@apple.com>
>>>> *Cc:* James Graham <james@hoppipolla.co.uk>;
>>>> public-browser-tools-testing@w3.org <
>>>> public-browser-tools-testing@w3.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Automation Summit in Berlin [action required
>>>> from implementors by 9 August]
>>>>
>>>> Alright, since Apple would be happier with this as an official WG
>>>> meeting, we (Google) are good with this. Let's follow up on organizing
>>>> another WG meeting after this.
>>>>
>>>> David, to confirm explicitly, I can confirm that some Googlers can
>>>> attend, no concerns from us.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Philip
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 8:48 PM Sam Sneddon <gsnedders@apple.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On 5 Aug 2022, at 14:29, James Graham <james@hoppipolla.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > To be concrete, my proposal at this point (which I think agrees with
>>>> what foolip said) is:
>>>> >
>>>> > * The SauceLabs meetup returns to its original scope as a chance to
>>>> work with Selenium implementors on BiDi support. It is not a WG meeting,
>>>> just a chance to talk to that constituency and gather feedback on our
>>>> progress.
>>>> >
>>>> > * Since there appears to be interest in a F2F in Europe, especially
>>>> given the limited in-person attendance at TPAC, we begin the process of
>>>> planning a formal F2F meeting in Europe. This would not be earlier than
>>>> October (but could be later; date, location, etc. to be decided among the
>>>> group).
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned before, we would be much happier with an actual WG
>>>> meeting, bound by normal W3C participation rules (per Process). Given the
>>>> relatively close relationship between Selenium and WebDriver, it seems
>>>> comparatively plausible that non-participants will end up recommending
>>>> changes to BiDi, and these changes should go through the normal process
>>>> with license grants etc.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, we still have some concern if the majority of
>>>> browser-side implementers are represented at the Sauce Labs hosted meeting
>>>> and the extent to which it may practically become a WG meeting, regardless
>>>> of the intent.
>>>>
>>>> /Sam
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> David
>>
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-- 
David