Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Automation Summit in Berlin [action required from implementors by 9 August]

Microsoft won't be able to attend. However, we'd also prefer this as an official WG meeting, or at least one with the notes publicly available so that we can follow any outcomes and discussions.

Thanks,
Brandon

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From: Philip Jägenstedt <foolip@google.com>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:38 AM
To: Sam Sneddon <gsnedders@apple.com>
Cc: James Graham <james@hoppipolla.co.uk>; public-browser-tools-testing@w3.org <public-browser-tools-testing@w3.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Automation Summit in Berlin [action required from implementors by 9 August]

Alright, since Apple would be happier with this as an official WG meeting, we (Google) are good with this. Let's follow up on organizing another WG meeting after this.

David, to confirm explicitly, I can confirm that some Googlers can attend, no concerns from us.

Best regards,
Philip

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 8:48 PM Sam Sneddon <gsnedders@apple.com<mailto:gsnedders@apple.com>> wrote:

> On 5 Aug 2022, at 14:29, James Graham <james@hoppipolla.co.uk<mailto:james@hoppipolla.co.uk>> wrote:
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> To be concrete, my proposal at this point (which I think agrees with what foolip said) is:
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> * The SauceLabs meetup returns to its original scope as a chance to work with Selenium implementors on BiDi support. It is not a WG meeting, just a chance to talk to that constituency and gather feedback on our progress.
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> * Since there appears to be interest in a F2F in Europe, especially given the limited in-person attendance at TPAC, we begin the process of planning a formal F2F meeting in Europe. This would not be earlier than October (but could be later; date, location, etc. to be decided among the group).
>

As mentioned before, we would be much happier with an actual WG meeting, bound by normal W3C participation rules (per Process). Given the relatively close relationship between Selenium and WebDriver, it seems comparatively plausible that non-participants will end up recommending changes to BiDi, and these changes should go through the normal process with license grants etc.

Additionally, we still have some concern if the majority of browser-side implementers are represented at the Sauce Labs hosted meeting and the extent to which it may practically become a WG meeting, regardless of the intent.

/Sam