- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:09:22 +0200
- To: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Hi guys,
The minutes of today's call are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-bpwg-minutes.html
... and copied as text below
Resolutions taken during the call:
* add a placeholder for login BP in the current draft and publish a
new Working Draft of the Mobile Web Application Best Practices document
based on the 17th April 2009 version.
* pending EOWG approval, publish the latest version of "Relationship
between Mobile Web Best Practices (MWBP) and Web Content Accessibility
Guidelines (WCAG)" as a last public working draft, with a view to
issuing a WG Note shortly afterwards.
* properly define X-Device-* HTTP headers in the Content
Transformation guidelines using references to the appropriate sections
of RFC2616
Others:
We've started to review the proposed new abstract for the guidelines and
agreed that "Web resources" should replace "Web applications". Further
review needed:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0037.html
Thanks,
Francois.
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28 Apr 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0038.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
tomhume, Francois, Adam, EdC, yeliz, miguel, achuter, jeffs,
SeanP, jsmanrique
Regrets
jo, DKA, rob, kai, abel, nacho, SangwhanMoon, Bruce, Bryan
Chair
francois
Scribe
yeliz
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]mobileOK Checker
2. [6]Mobile Web Application Best Practices
3. [7]Mobile/Accessibility document
4. [8]Content Transformation
5. [9]Feature phones vs. Smartphone
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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mobileOK Checker
francois: The reason this is topic is agenda, I made some changes in
the library, most of the bugs are fixed
... thanks to Miguel and Abel
... there are a few minor enhancements in the pipeline
... there are some possible enhancements that could be done in the
way resources are described
... Need to discuss on the mobileOK mailing list before we go ahead
with those changes
... I just wanted to give an update on the status of mobileOK
Mobile Web Application Best Practices
Francois: Adam updated the document
<francois> [11]new MWABP draft
[11]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20091704
Adam: there is a new draft
... Thanks to Eduardo, it looks powerful, I will work on your
comments, and then raise issues if
... something is not clear
<jeffs> should be able to finish up empirical tests of canvas & SVG
this week
Adam: There is one outsanding action that may be worth revisiting on
login forms...
... We can either go ahead and discuss them
... What we recommended as best practice is not recommended by
security people
... looking forward to comments and feedback
Francois: I think Eduardo had quite a lot of comments about this,
any comment Eduardo?
Eduardo: Not quite
... would be good to have more details about the argument
<francois> [12]resolutions on logins
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Feb/0070.html
Adam: made recommendations on how to format passwords, etc. I don't
think it is a good idea to have them presented differently on mobile
Web
... we can either be silent on this or discuss it further
Eduardo: Are you saying that we ignore the resolution and do
something else?
Adam: we can remain silent on the topic and simply go on with a BP
that says "ease login".
Francois: I think I like your suggestion, it is an important topic
Adam: it's important to put BP in the user experience section
... we made some other changes to BP since then
... and now it talks about something slightly different
Eduardo: this is OK with me
Adam: I haven't actually looked at the existing resolutions, but
they don't match with the existing versions
... as they talk about some BPs that don't exist anymore
<francois> ACTION: adam to draft a BP on login forms adapting
previous resolutions on the topic for discussion [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-957 - Draft a BP on login forms adapting
previous resolutions on the topic for discussion [on Adam Connors -
due 2009-05-05].
Adam: Waiting for feedback on the document, haven't addressed
Eduardo's comments yet
Eduardo: there are a couple of points that need clarification
... my comments don't invalidate BPs but mainly clarifications are
required
Adam: I will address them later
Francois: I also have some minor comments and I will post them later
... I wonder if it would be good to publish a new draft, a working
group draft
... the new document is way different from the one published in the
past
... so it would be good to publish a new WG draft
Adam: I think that would be good, yes from me
... looking forward to more comments from the community
Francois: anybody against publication of a new WG draft?
Eduardo: there are two BPs missing, would that be a problem in
publising a draft?
Francois: no, that won't be a problem, we will just put editorial
notes
<francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: add a placeholder for login BP in
the current draft and publish the a new Working Draft of the Mobile
Web Application Best Practices document based on the 17th April 2009
version.
<Adam> +1
<EdC> +1
<achuter> +1
<francois> +1
<miguel> +1
+1
<SeanP> +1
Adam: I can publish it tomorrow
Francois: I can do the necessary changes to move it to a WG draft
RESOLUTION: add a placeholder for login BP in the current draft and
publish a new Working Draft of the Mobile Web Application Best
Practices document based on the 17th April 2009 version.
Francois: Jeff do you have any update on Canvas?
Jeff: I haven't had any chance to complete it
Mobile/Accessibility document
Francois: Alan posted a new email today
<francois> [14]Alan's latest email on the topic
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0041.html
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/d
rafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20090428/#approaches
[15]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20090428/#approaches
Francois: This is the latest version
... is the goal to publish a new WG draft and then a WG note?
Alan: yes, that's the idea, idea is to get more feedback
<achuter>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/d
rafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20090428/#approaches
[16]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20090428/#approaches
Francois: I suppose it is the EO position
... not many changes, right?
Alan: The main change been that WCAG is required by all sites but
not BP
... but then we updated that
Francois: is there something that needs to be reviewed?
Alan: only that parag. that compares WCAG and MWBP?
Francois: I read it several times, and it looks OK to me
Alan: take a resolution to be published as a Working draft
... I have implemented the changes EO asked for
... I think they need to vote as well
EO: Education and Outreach WG
Francois: If they say on Friday that they are OK with this version,
we will go ahead and publish
... If Education and Outreach WG say on Friday that they are OK with
this version, we will go ahead and publish
<francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: pending EOWG approval, publish the
latest version of "Relationship between Mobile Web Best Practices
(MWBP) and Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG)" as a last
public working draft, with a view to issuing a WG Note shortly
afterwards.
<EdC> +1
<achuter> +1
<Adam> +1
<jeffs> +1
+1
<francois> +1
<miguel> +1
<SeanP> +1
RESOLUTION: pending EOWG approval, publish the latest version of
"Relationship between Mobile Web Best Practices (MWBP) and Web
Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG)" as a last public working
draft, with a view to issuing a WG Note shortly afterwards.
Content Transformation
<francois> [17]fd's email on X-Device-* headers registration
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0023.html
<EdC> q
Francois: this requires Jo's approval
Eduardo: regarding the formal definition, you put the whole thing,
wouldn't be useful to put the corresponding ..
Francois: I agree, everyone would understand what it means, so I
think you are right
<francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Properly define X-Device-* HTTP
headers in the Content Transformation guidelines using references to
the appropriate sections of RFC2616
<tomhume> +1
<EdC> +1
<francois> +1
+1
<SeanP> +1
<jeffs> +1
RESOLUTION: Properly define X-Device-* HTTP headers in the Content
Transformation guidelines using references to the appropriate
sections of RFC2616
Francois: not sure about the remaining topics
<EdC>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0037.htm
l
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0037.html
<francois> [19]Eduardo's proposal for an abstract for CT
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0037.html
Francois: "same origin policy" requires other people to be able to
discuss so I suggest we postpone this
<jeffs> +1 on Francois' comment
Francois: lets look at Abstract suggested by Eduardo
... I think it is quite long
Sean: reference to Web applications, I know what it means but it can
be confusing
... usually people do transformation on simpler pages
... I think what Eduardo saying here is more than just simple Web
pages, javascript involved, etc
... Web applications to me refers to Widgets
Francois: what about saying "Web resources"
... Eduardo, what do you think about this?
Eduardo: is there a standard terminology?
Francois: yes, Web resources is the "standard" terminology
... need to find the exact definition for the record
<francois> [20]WebArch definition of the Web and resources
[20] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-webarch-20041215/#intro
Francois: this document refers to "Web resources"
... this needs to be discussed on the mailing list. Can we postpone
the discussion to next week?
... so people have time to look at it and discuss on the mailing
list
Feature phones vs. Smartphone
<francois> ISSUE-296?
<trackbot> ISSUE-296 -- "feature phone vs. smartphone, which
handsets will make large web traffic ?" -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/296
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/296
<EdC> I already sent something.
Francois: Jonathan asked for comments on the mailing list, we will
not discuss on the call
... is there anything that we can possibly discuss here about your
comment Eduardo?
Eduardo: are the results of this discussion will be used?
Francois: the result could affect Web applications BP but not
directly
Eduardo: I would be interested to get an overview of the terminology
from far East, since we have people here from Korea
... South Korea, and Japan, so it would be good to know about the
developments there
Francois: Please take a look at the document and send an email to
the mailing list
... any other business?
<jeffs> <waves/>
Francois: Thanks for all attending
<EdC> bye, till next week.
<jsmanrique> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: adam to draft a BP on login forms adapting previous
resolutions on the topic for discussion [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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