- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:26:42 +0200
- To: MWI BPWG Public <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Hi,
The minutes of today's call are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html
and copied as text below.
Resolutions taken during the call:
On the Last Call of Widgets:
- Bryan to weave together jo's and his own comments as put on list and
submit them as BP response to the Widgets requirements doc
On Content Transformation Guidelines:
- BPWG requests transition of current Draft 1o of the Content
Transformation Guidelines with a Last Call Comment period ending Tuesday
September 16
- Text proposed by Jo for ISSUE-222 to be forwarded to TAG following a
week's further discussion on list
On the mobileOK Checker:
- Based on the report from the Checker TF on the completion of the test
suite and the resolution of the pending bugs, the BPWG happily resolves
to release version 1.0 of the mobileOK checker. The mobileOK checker
fulfills the CR exit criterion: "existence of a checker that checks each
aspect of each test specified in this document"
On August at the beach:
- There will be no call on Thursday August 7th, therefore the next call
will be Thursday August 28th.
Francois.
31 Jul 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0089.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
jeffs, francois, jo, rob, dom, Bryan_Sullivan, adam, Drooks,
yeliz, abel, jsmanrique, miguel, SeanP, Kai
Regrets
DavidStorey, Murari, Aaron, Scott, Kai, EdM
Chair
Jo
Scribe
Bryan, Jo
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Administration
2. [6]CSS Marquee Spec
3. [7]Widgets LCWD
4. [8]Shared Web Experiences / Accessibility Doc
5. [9]CT Task Force Report
6. [10]Checker TF
7. [11]MWABP
8. [12]mobileOK Scheme
9. [13]BP 1.5
10. [14]ISSUEs and ACTIONs
11. [15]AOB
* [16]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Administration
Dom: group has been rechartered; before 45 days AC reps need to make
recommittment to membership in the group.
CSS Marquee Spec
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to explain the context of the request
Dom: the reason for comments needed is that CSS Marquee is part of
CSS Mobile Profile.
Widgets LCWD
<jo> [17]Thread on Widgets Requirements
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0098.html
<inserted> ScribeNick: jo
jo: bryan can you step us through this?
bryan: attempted to make comments in the style of their document
<francois> [18]Initial comments by Bryan on Widgets
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0065.html
bryan: to make it easier for them
... requirements are good and comprehensive - only a few things that
I would add
... per the email, things about declarations in the manifest would
be good to have more descriptive information as well
... what they support, what they are and what they need
... so I think disclosure is important
jo: worried that putting comments in suggested text form
bryan: yes, but I am now a member of the group
jo: Oh that makes a difference
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Bryan to weave together jo's and his own
comments as put on list and submit them as BP response to the
requirements doc
<dom> +1
<rob> +1
<dom> (note that the deadline is tomorrow)
<francois> +1
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Bryan to weave together jo's and his own
comments as put on list and submit them as BP response to the
Widgets requirements doc
<jeffs> +1
RESOLUTION: Bryan to weave together jo's and his own comments as put
on list and submit them as BP response to the Widgets requirements
doc
<inserted> ScribeNick: Bryan
Shared Web Experiences / Accessibility Doc
Jo: anything to do other than review/comment?
<jo> [19]Shared Web Experiences: Barriers Common to Mobile Device
Users and People with Disabilities.
[19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences
Francois: no, that's sufficient. We all should review the article
and someone could merge the comments.
Jo: will let them know this may take a while.
<jo> ACTION: Jo to respond to Shawn to say we are looking at it and
will get back to them when we get back from the break [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-822 - Respond to Shawn to say we are
looking at it and will get back to them when we get back from the
break [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-08-07].
CT Task Force Report
Yeliz: requests direct comments on common aspects of mobile
experience related to accessiblity
<jo> [21]Latest CT Draft
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0088.html
Francois: expect to get CT document to last call very soon. a couple
things needing discussion: the extension of last call to Sept 16
(suggested), and
... the list of working groups we need to inform about the last
call.
<francois> [22]list of WG that should review CT Guidelines
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0091.html
Jo: any action for the group?
Francois: we can use the official liason through the Hypertext
Working Group, or a direct contact.
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests transition of current Draft
1o of the Content Transformation Guidelines with a Last Call Comment
period ending Tuesday September 16
Bryan: OMA would be interested since there are
transformation-related work items there.
<francois> +1
<rob> +1
<jeffs> +1
<SeanP> +1
<abel> +1
<jsmanrique> +1
+1
<dom> +1
RESOLUTION: BPWG requests transition of current Draft 1o of the
Content Transformation Guidelines with a Last Call Comment period
ending Tuesday September 16
<Zakim> rob, you wanted to thank captain Jo for piloting the ship so
well through wild waters
<yeliz> +1
<jo> [23]proposed BP comments on TAG finding on linking alternate
representations
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0095.html
Jo: action 703 text is ready for ISSUE-222 proposed the text goes
into the last call if there are no comments to the proposed text on
the list.
<jeffs> +1
<dom> let's take now a resolution that pending any comments, the
proposed comments will be sent as is
Francois: expects to have some comments, suggest to wait a week for
comments
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Text proposed by Jo for ISSUE-222 to be
forwarded to TAG following a week's further discussion on list
<jeffs> +1
<francois> +1
<dom> +1
+1
<abel> +1
<jsmanrique> +1
RESOLUTION: Text proposed by Jo for ISSUE-222 to be forwarded to TAG
following a week's further discussion on list
<jeffs> +1
Jo: that should be all the issues taken care of
<jo> [all open issues relating to CT now dealt with]
Francois: we can keep the TF open thru early Sept depending upon the
comments received
Checker TF
Abel: good progress in the last week; issues resolved, and ready to
release a new version
Francois: just one issue left, feel we are ready for version 1
release.
Jo: we had earlier resolved that checker could proceed as needed,
but we can take another resolution now also
<francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Based on the report from the Checker
TF on the completion of the test suite and the resolution of the
pending bugs, the BPWG happily resolves to release version 1.0 of
the mobileOK checker
<abel> +1
<jsmanrique> +1
<jeffs> +1
+1
<rob> +1
<francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Based on the report from the Checker
TF on the completion of the test suite and the resolution of the
pending bugs, the BPWG happily resolves to release version 1.0 of
the mobileOK checker. The mobileOK checker fulfills the CR exit
criterion: "existence of a checker that checks each aspect of each
test specified in this document"
<nacho> miguel votes +1 :) he is not on IRC
<francois> +1
<abel> +1
<jeffs> +1
+1
<jsmanrique> +1
<jo> +1
<rob> +1
<SeanP> +1
<yeliz> +1
<jo> [jo notes the hard work put in by "The musketeers" and by Dom
and Francois, and thanks them for that]
RESOLUTION: Based on the report from the Checker TF on the
completion of the test suite and the resolution of the pending bugs,
the BPWG happily resolves to release version 1.0 of the mobileOK
checker. The mobileOK checker fulfills the CR exit criterion:
"existence of a checker that checks each aspect of each test
specified in this document"
MWABP
Jo: we are waiting for comments on the FPWD, right?
Francois: no comments so far, we are still waiting.
Jo: next steps?
Adam: if we get another round of BP suggestions, we can roll them
in.
Bryan: will try to reestablish the context by new contributions, per
my emails
<dom> [24]7 open issues on BP2
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/14
<jo> ACTION: Adam to stimulate another round of discussion on what
is missing from BP-2 FPWD [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-823 - Stimulate another round of
discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD [on Adam Connors - due
2008-08-07].
Jo: suggests that we also capture the points from the email
conversation between Kai and Bryan
<jo> ACTION: Bryan to raise issues on things he's not happy about,
especially personalisation [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-824 - Raise issues on things he's not
happy about, especially personalisation [on Bryan Sullivan - due
2008-08-07].
<dom> re input for BP2, I sent
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0000.htm
l
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0000.html
mobileOK Scheme
Jo: MobileOK is a bit stuck; Chaals is not around right now, we need
someone to offer editorial effort in support in the meantime
Dom: we should give him a couple more weeks, then chair can nominate
a new editor as needed
Jo: we need to move quickly to wrap up this with a proposed text
<jo> noted with gratitude Phil Archer's offer to take
offer/contribute text and request him to continue with that as a
"proposed text" what we short out who is the official editor
BP 1.5
<dom> ISSUE-266?
<trackbot> ISSUE-266 -- Which mobileOK Pro tests needs the DDC and
which don't? -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/266
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/266
Kai: sent out a new version of the document; one issue about usage
of DDC.
<dom> [29]Kai's proposal to close ISSUE-266
[29]
http://www.w3.org/mid/398533C370C23441981074C456AA3BDD031DB90C@QEO00226.de.t-online.corp
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to comment on ISSUE-266
Jo: proposal to close 266 as not relevant anymore?
Dom: agree that some of the issues are not relevant, 266 may still
be relevant by needing to indicate which tests rely upon the DDC,
being a useful thing to know.
Kai: there are some tests that need the DDC, and we can/do make the
distinction where needed.
Dom: sees the point, and we can close the issue
<jo> close ISSUE-266
<jeffs> +1
<dom> [I think the formalities aspect can be dealt with once we
decide to go forward with the publication]
Kai: since the Mobile OK Pro is a note, I need to know what template
to use
Jo: we will come back to that after looking at the draft
<dom> close ISSUE-266
<dom> trackbot, close ISSUE-266
<trackbot> Sorry, dom, I don't understand 'trackbot, close
ISSUE-266'. Please refer to
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
<dom> ISSUE-266 closed
<dom> [31]7 actions in pending review
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview
<Kai> I have closed ISSUE-266
ISSUEs and ACTIONs
<jo> [special thanks to Dom for this Agendum]
<francois> ACTION-703?
<trackbot> ACTION-703 -- Jo Rabin to draft a communication with the
TAG based on ISSUE-222 -- due 2008-03-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/703
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/703
<jo> close ACTION-703
<trackbot> ACTION-703 Draft a communication with the TAG based on
ISSUE-222 closed
<jo> ACTION: Jo to send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-825 - Send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1
week [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-08-07].
<francois> ACTION-785?
<trackbot> ACTION-785 -- Kai Scheppe to check the personalization
section for specific parts that seem to imply combination of
personal information with usage patterns -- due 2008-06-24 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/785
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/785
<jo> close ACTION-785
<trackbot> ACTION-785 Check the personalization section for specific
parts that seem to imply combination of personal information with
usage patterns closed
<francois> ACTION-786?
<trackbot> ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix
that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are
different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786
<francois> ACTION-792?
<trackbot> ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG --
due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792
<francois> ACTION-793?
<trackbot> ACTION-793 -- Kai Scheppe to work with Scott to produce
proposed text on caching that goes beyond BP 1 -- due 2008-06-24 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/793
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/793
<francois> ACTION-798?
<trackbot> ACTION-798 -- Kai Scheppe to work proposed changes into
the mobileOK Pro document and then turn it over to the group -- due
2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/798
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/798
<francois> ACTION-809?
<trackbot> ACTION-809 -- François Daoust to prepare official
responses to the two comments. -- due 2008-07-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/809
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/809
<jo> close ACTION-798
<trackbot> ACTION-798 Work proposed changes into the mobileOK Pro
document and then turn it over to the group closed
<jo> close ACTION-809
<trackbot> ACTION-809 Prepare official responses to the two
comments. closed
AOB
Francois: there are some sites no longer passing Mobile OK, we
should give them a chance to fix it.
... the exclusion period ends Aug 9th and we can't move forward
before then, so the sites have a chance to get fixed
<jo> francois notes that the call for exclusions is still open on
mobileOK Basic Tests, till 9 Aug, can move to PR once that is
complete and the sties that were mobileOK become so again
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: There will be no call on Thursday August
7th, therefore the next call will be Thursday August 28th.
<francois> +1
<jeffs> +1
<Kai> +1
<yeliz> +1
<dom> +1
Jo: we have a group recommendation in BP1, three cheers!
+
<aconnors> +10
+1
<abel> +1
<SeanP> +1
RESOLUTION: There will be no call on Thursday August 7th, therefore
the next call will be Thursday August 28th.
<jeffs> happy vacation
<jo> -- adjourned --
<yeliz> bye
<abel> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Adam to stimulate another round of discussion on what
is missing from BP-2 FPWD [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Bryan to raise issues on things he's not happy about,
especially personalisation [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Jo to respond to Shawn to say we are looking at it and
will get back to them when we get back from the break [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jo to send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
[End of minutes]
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