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RE: New draft of mobileOK Basic 1zq (draft 43) - preview of PR draft

From: Gerlach, Heiko, VF-Group <Heiko.Gerlach@vodafone.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:07:00 +0200
Message-ID: <E71B6B341C8C3D47AA1288D9E719D1C5979FF8@VF-MBX12.internal.vodafone.com>
To: "Francois Daoust" <fd@w3.org>
Cc: "Jo Rabin" <jrabin@mtld.mobi>, "MWI BPWG Public" <public-bpwg@w3.org>

Hi All,

I was expecting the W3C to give technical recommendation. Pricing at the end is a marketing task and I am not sure whether this is our task. 

In Germany you pay around 39 euro cent per Megabyte.

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From: Francois Daoust [mailto:fd@w3.org] 
Sent: 07 July 2008 17:03
To: Gerlach, Heiko, VF-Group
Cc: Jo Rabin; MWI BPWG Public
Subject: Re: New draft of mobileOK Basic 1zq (draft 43) - preview of PR draft

Gerlach, Heiko, VF-Group wrote:
> Hi Jo,
> 
> Thanks for the update. I would like to keep the images out of that discussion. So I think we should focus on the html markup size. But we should have in mind that devices are improving steadily. 
> I am concerned that at the end of our discussion many made for mobile sites which are delivering good user experience may not fit with the MobileOK requirements.

100Kb ~ 1$ is still a common thing, and having to pay 0.2$ per page is already expensive. I doubt we should go beyond that. As Jo stated, this is the content delivered to the DDC, content providers should take advantage of device capabilities (on which I would add knowledge that the user has a flat rate for instance) whenever possible.

Note that these limits already appear in Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0, which is about to be transitioned to Recommendation, so there is no real way we can change these values now:
http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/#iddiv3126702920

> 
> A 2nd item is the following: If we set up a dediacted mobile ok user agent string the site owners could return/deliver complete different content based on the user agent. And than they are counted as mobile OK?!

That's precisely the idea! The content providers should take advantage of the capabilities of devices whenever possible!

And it indeed has the following not-so-good consequence: a content provider may return a mostly empty page upon receipt of a request that contains the mobileOK User-Agent string, and be mobileOK.

Francois.
Received on Monday, 7 July 2008 15:08:02 UTC

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