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RE: ISSUE-237 (Define Mobile Web Applications): What is the definition of a "Mobile Web Application" for the purposes of BP2? [Mobile Web Applications Best Practices]

From: Holley Kevin (Centre) <Kevin.Holley@O2.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:18:56 -0000
Message-ID: <A21CF1DCE029FB4F83D44EDF747A4BFA01AC15C1@UKSTHMSX006.uk.pri.o2.com>
To: Magnus Lönnroth <magnus.lonnroth@ericsson.com>, "Scheppe, Kai-Dietrich" <k.scheppe@telekom.de>, "Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG" <public-bpwg@w3.org>

Now I am really confused.

For me a "web browser" from the server end looks like something which can access a web page hosted on the server.  So a web server cannot tell the difference between "web access" from a widget, a browser, a J2ME application, a native application or even someone typing characters into a terminal application.   All of these things are capable of consuming data expressed in HTML and javascript.

What is the purpose of BP2?  To define how best to serve mobile applications from a web server?  Or to define how to develop mobile browsers?  Or something else?

Regards,

Kevin

 
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-----Original Message-----
From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Magnus Lönnroth
Sent: 22 February 2008 07:34
To: Scheppe, Kai-Dietrich; Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG
Subject: RE: ISSUE-237 (Define Mobile Web Applications): What is the definition of a "Mobile Web Application" for the purposes of BP2? [Mobile Web Applications Best Practices]


I'm not sure I'm interpreting this right, but I think I agree with Dan's text in the issue statement. I like to divide the world into 

a) applications that run within i standard web browser (context)

and

b) applications that don't

I think BPWG should focus on the former.

Standalone J2ME apps (and applets) belong to the latter and can probably best be considered client-server applications. They might happen to use HTTP as a transport, but that's kind of unimportant I think. They might also interact with a browser somehow but I also find that unimportant. I would not call them web applications.

Attempting to say anything about apps that aren't constrained by a web browser (i.e. expressed in HTML and JavaScript) seems pretty open ended. 

thanks,

Magnus Lönnroth
Head of PDU SDP
Development Unit Multimedia Products
Ericsson AB
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Scheppe, Kai-Dietrich
> Sent: den 21 februari 2008 18:02
> To: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG
> Subject: RE: ISSUE-237 (Define Mobile Web Applications): What 
> is the definition of a "Mobile Web Application" for the 
> purposes of BP2? [Mobile Web Applications Best Practices]
> 
> 
> A web application exposes some sort of interface to the user.
> This interface may be an application running in the browser 
> itself or it
> may be an application running on the server, but display some GUI with
> which the user may interact.
> 
> Moving this into a mobile context, a web application must run without
> any additions, such as plugins or Java.
> 
> -- Kai
> 
> 
> Please make note of my new email address:
> k.scheppe@telekom.de
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org 
> > [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Mobile Web 
> > Best Practices Working Group Issue Tracker
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:43 PM
> > To: public-bpwg@w3.org
> > Subject: ISSUE-237 (Define Mobile Web Applications): What is 
> > the definition of a "Mobile Web Application" for the purposes 
> > of BP2? [Mobile Web Applications Best Practices]
> > 
> > 
> > ISSUE-237 (Define Mobile Web Applications): What is the 
> > definition of a "Mobile Web Application" for the purposes of 
> > BP2? [Mobile Web Applications Best Practices]
> > 
> > http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/
> > 
> > Raised by: Daniel Appelquist
> > On product: Mobile Web Applications Best Practices
> > 
> > We have a number of different (but I would say converging) 
> > views on what constitutes a Mobile Web Application.  My view 
> > is that we are talking about applications for which the user 
> > interface element executes in the browser/web technologies 
> > context. I would specifically put device APIs out of scope. I 
> > would specifically put widgets out of scope. I would 
> > specifically put non-"web" technologies such as flash and 
> > silverlight out of scope. Jo has suggested we could use the 
> > criterion of whether or not the technology uses the 
> > underlying technology of the DOM to define "Web 
> > technologies."  As agreed on today's call, this is an 
> > important enough issue to pull out from the discussion on 
> > scope and give it its own issue.  I want to come back to this 
> > issue on next week's call and take a resolution on this point 
> > so we can get this out of the way before the next F2f.
> > 
> > Discuss!
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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