- From: Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:06:20 +0100
- To: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>
- Cc: AWWSW TF <public-awwsw@w3.org>
Jonathan Rees writes: > And I haven't gotten much feedback on > http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/ir/latest/ , which to me pretty > much answers to my satisfaction the question that created this group > (at the HCLS/TAG meeting way back when): what is this 'information > resource' deal and what does it have to do with the price of eggs? Note that some recent comments from DBooth on this list have referred to an earlier version of this document [1], but I'm explicitly addressing the version dated 2011-06-25 [2]. I know some participants on this list don't like it much, but I really think you need to reference FRBR in section 2. I don't mean that you have to _define_ information entity using the FRBR vocabulary, but you should point to FRBR as a much more complete working through of the relationship between various points on a specific/generic hierarchy for several well-known and widely/naively understood entity classes which overlap with jar:InformationEntity ( == frbr:ProductOfIntellectualOrArtisticEndeavour ?*) I also think in this regard you need to think harder about being a _bit_ more explicit/thorough in defining *information entity*, whether specific or generic. Yes, the poem example and the tapir analogy point to something that feels familiar, but it leaves the door open to a slippery slope (!) at the bottom of which lies 3986-representation, doesn't it? Does it offer a clear answer to e.g. the question of whether these two pages are specialisations of the same generic information entity: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/felisCatus/cattus.html http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/felisCatus/chat.html given the results of fetching http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/felisCatus/ ? I don't think so. ht * I.e. frbr:Work U frbr:Expression U frbr:Manifestation U frbr:Item Which raises an interesting question -- are e.g. the Mona Lisa, the David, even the Eiffel Tower, information entities? It's hard to see how http://smarthistory.org/assets/images/images/leo_mona_face.jpg is _not_ a specialisation of the Mona Lisa if you accept that http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/graphics/poster_OrigMinard.gif is a specialisation of Minard's graphic of Napolean's retreat from Moscow, but that painting certainly has e.g. mass, which would disqualify it on TimBL's definition as I understand it. . . Hmm, so does the original of Minard's graphic. But not all drawings have paper originals -- presumably you would definitely want to acknowledge that there's an information entity somewhere in the picture (:-) in connection with http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/ir/latest/generic.png . . . Sorry, can't resist -- I suppose you might want to argue that there is an information entity which is a _photograph_ of the Mona Lisa, or a _scan_ of Minard's graphic, and that it is specialisations of _those_ which the above URIs allow us to retrieve. This gets us back to massless entities. However I don't think FRBR demands a difference of Work in cases like this, or even of Expression. A photocopy of my copy of Martin Chuzzlewit is, I guess, a Manifestation, and a photograph or a scan (modulo intent, I suppose) could be considered the same. . . [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/ir/20110517/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/ir/20110625/ -- Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 651-1426, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me _always_ has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forged spam]
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