Re: AWWSW Telecon Tuesday 2011-08-30 ?

Jonathan Rees writes:

>> And I haven't gotten much feedback on
>> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/ir/latest/ , which to me pretty much
>> answers to my satisfaction the question that created this group (at
>> the HCLS/TAG meeting way back when): what is this 'information
>> resource' deal and what does it have to do with the price of eggs?

Backing up to section 3, I realise there's a serious disconnect here.
One of Heinlein's famous Fair Witnesses might not fall into this trap,
but I sure did.  I _assumed_, without thinking about it, that having
written 

 Now where does this get us? To say that any representation retrieved
from "http://example/hen" has (or will have) "Trouvee" as its title,
we can write (in Turtle [turtle])

    [ir:onWebAt "http://example/hen"] dc:title "Trouvee".

you might well have gone on to write

    [ir:onWebAt "http://example/hen"] dc:creator "Elizabeth Bishop".

But of course that's wrong!  We're talking here about the specific
InfEnt, presumably authored by the owner of the 'example' domain,
let's call him Raphael Sabbatini.

But (still trying to catch up), doesn't this mean the whole example is
confused/misleading?  Because if Raphael Sabbatini is the author of
that specific InfEnt, and it's the only authorised representation for
http://example/hen, then he's the creator of the generic InfEnt which
generalises that representation!  But he isn't, Elisabeth Bishop is!
What's wrong with this picture?

A further (only maybe related) point:  You say

  [that dc:title triple] is predictive: It tells someone that if they
  dereference that URI, they will get something with that dc:title

which I interpret to mean that there will be a way to verify that
triple by reference to the retrieved representation.  But how
(assuming you intend that representation to look something like what
is currently served at http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/trouv-e/, which
contains nothing _in the HTML itself_, per the semantics of HTML,
which provides such a verification)?  Indeed, what would it _mean_ for
the HTML to do so (leaving aside some RDFa which actually duplicated
the above triple)?

Now, at this point _I_ might be tempted to go the next step and say
that a human being looking at the _presentation_ which HTML mandates
for that representation conveys the information that Trouvee is the
title :-).

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