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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Initial draft of agenda for upcoming April f2f in Munich

From: Stiepan Aurélien Kovac <skovac@sunrise.ch>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:46:49 +0100
To: "Foster, Jeremiah" <JFoster@luxoft.com>, "philippe.colliot@mpsa.com" <philippe.colliot@mpsa.com>, "Paul.Boyes@inrix.com" <Paul.Boyes@inrix.com>, "Asadullah.Ansari@harman.com" <Asadullah.Ansari@harman.com>
Cc: "wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr" <wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr>, "public-autowebplatform@w3.org" <public-autowebplatform@w3.org>, "peter.winzell@jayway.com" <peter.winzell@jayway.com>, "public-automotive@w3.org" <public-automotive@w3.org>
Message-ID: <b78dade3-1d4a-d3f5-bb5e-f9819f893d97@sunrise.ch>
Hi again,

For some reasons these very much on-topic messages ended up in my Spam
folder...

You may also have an interest regarding my talk on the selection of OSS*
technology.

(based on objective criteria)

I will give a first version at the ITU-T tomorrow (to those attending
WSIS: I think you can listen too), the room has yet to be announced,
hour = 14h CET.

*Open-Source Software

Regards,

Stiepan A. Kovac
M Sc ICT Security
Coordinator
CEuniX.world proj.


On 03/22/18 13:55, Foster, Jeremiah wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 08:16 +0000, PHILIPPE COLLIOT wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My two cents..
>>
>>  
>>
>> May I remind you that Android is based on Linux J
>>
>> Wikipedia:
>>
>> /“Android is a mobile operating system developed by Google, based on
>> a modified version of the Linux kernel and other open source software”/
>>
>>  
>>
>> Another important point is that, considering the raise of the
>> rejection, by the public opinion, of the domination of the GAFA,
>> NATU, BATX etc.., the recurrent scandals of massive data theft and
>> today the Cambridge Analytica files ,  it’d be more rational for an
>> OEM to keep control on the data, so to keep control on software,
>> which means to be ANDROID agnostic.. just because Google core
>> business is to harvest data…
>>
>> And, concerning the OEMS, my company future program is based on
>> Linux, and, as far as I know, Toyota is going to launch AGL based IVIs…
>>
>
> Toyota already has I believe; 2018 Camry in the US. In addition, other
> Japanese car makers have followed Toyota's AGL lead and Panasonic, a
> major Japanese supplier, is providing Linux based head units to
> numerous car makers, like Mazda and Subaru.
>
> Also, some high profile European car makers that used their connection
> to Android in marketing have either not deployed Android systems or
> are struggling to make them meet automotive standards. Google
> apparently does not have the head count that many OEMs expect to
> support their suppliers manufacturing and software design work and
> from what I understand there may be considerably more requirements
> coming from OEMs than expected.
>
> There is a possibility that Google will be at GENIVI's AMM in Munich
> and hopefully they'll participate and clarify what they see as the
> APIs and low level systems that are good integration targets.
>
>> That doesn’t mean not to have a look at what Android uses, as OSS,
>> interfaces or IPC.. and to be compatible.
>>
>> Without being stuck to Google road map..
>>
>
> +1
>
>>  
>>
>> Because Android _is not_ an open standard..
>>
>
> +1
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremiah
>
>> Cordialement, Regards,
>> cid:image001.png@01D193D3.0D03A420
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>> * *
>>
>> *Philippe COLLIOT*
>>
>> 湖理雄フィリップ
>>
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>>
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>> *De :*Paul Boyes [mailto:Paul.Boyes@inrix.com]
>> *Envoyé :* jeudi 22 mars 2018 06:34
>> *À :* Ansari, Asadullah <Asadullah.Ansari@harman.com>
>> *Cc :* Peter Winzell <peter.winzell@jayway.com>;
>> 이원석<wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr>; public-automotive
>> <public-automotive@w3.org>; public-autowebplatform
>> <public-autowebplatform@w3.org>
>> *Objet :* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Initial draft of agenda for upcoming
>> April f2f in Munich
>>
>>  
>>
>> >>> Real sender address / Reelle adresse d expedition :
>> public-automotive-request+bounce-philippe.colliot=mpsa.com@listhub.w3.org
>> <mailto:public-automotive-request+bounce-philippe.colliot=mpsa.com@listhub.w3.org>
>> <<<
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Well… I have some thoughts, but I am hoping to discuss if/how Android
>> may change the group’s perspective and if new opportunities for
>> standardization present due to Android.  In other words, I would like
>> to have a time boxed open discussion where people like yourself share
>> your thoughts and experience.  Because, as you say, it is becoming
>> adopted more and more.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Paul J. Boyes* | INRIX | Director of Telematics and Standards -
>> OpenCar  |  206-276-9675 | paul.boyes@inrix.com
>> <mailto:paul.boyes@inrix.com> | www.inrix.com
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.inrix.com_&d=BQMFAg&c=QbuapHRvbn0JdC8vTVkPHg&r=PRAN7lum5Ra662QLho8LU3bhFjBvLXn3bBkFbW0Amjo&m=V5l0WXfOEJwhcE0JsN06mQ5SQhpXL-DuAuK3YcnTZoc&s=OqQVi_DcS5rv8or8hZdFvY0re6YF0Wl-_8okxrxOF0w&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 21, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Ansari, Asadullah
>>> <Asadullah.Ansari@harman.com <mailto:Asadullah.Ansari@harman.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Now recently almost all infotainment or cockpit is based on android.
>>> Very rare OEMs are with Linux. Frankly speaking whatever OEMs
>>> programs, all are based on android.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Do we have futuristic plan for android IVI with respect to
>>> Automotive WG?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>> /asad
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul Boyes [mailto:Paul.Boyes@inrix.com] 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2018 1:51 AM
>>> *To:* Peter Winzell <peter.winzell@jayway.com
>>> <mailto:peter.winzell@jayway.com>>
>>> *Cc:* 이원석 <wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr <mailto:wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr>>;
>>> public-automotive <public-automotive@w3.org
>>> <mailto:public-automotive@w3.org>>; public-autowebplatform
>>> <public-autowebplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-autowebplatform@w3.org>>
>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Initial draft of agenda for upcoming April
>>> f2f in Munich
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Peter, 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> You can pin that one on me.  I am seeing Android (not just Android
>>> Auto) pop up in automotive quite a bit and am interested in hearing
>>> thoughts and discussing it in relationship to the Automotive WG and
>>> experience in general.   Make sense?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Paul J. Boyes* | INRIX | Director of Telematics and Standards -
>>> OpenCar  |  206-276-9675 | paul.boyes@inrix.com
>>> <mailto:paul.boyes@inrix.com> | www.inrix.com
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.inrix.com_&d=BQMFAg&c=QbuapHRvbn0JdC8vTVkPHg&r=PRAN7lum5Ra662QLho8LU3bhFjBvLXn3bBkFbW0Amjo&m=V5l0WXfOEJwhcE0JsN06mQ5SQhpXL-DuAuK3YcnTZoc&s=OqQVi_DcS5rv8or8hZdFvY0re6YF0Wl-_8okxrxOF0w&e=>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 21, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Peter Winzell
>>>> <peter.winzell@jayway.com <mailto:peter.winzell@jayway.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Hi Wonsuk!
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering why we are having phone mirroring(android
>>>> auto) on the agenda for the f2f ? What is the idea behind that
>>>> (sorry for have missed the meeting)
>>>>
>>>> Br
>>>>
>>>> Peter WInzell
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> 2018-03-06 21:34 GMT-08:00 이원석 <wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr
>>>> <mailto:wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr>>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi. Guys.
>>>>>
>>>>> I made an early draft of agenda below for upcoming f2f in Munich.
>>>>> It’s only have input from Paul and me. So please review and let us
>>>>> know your view!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Auto-f2f-april-2018
>>>>> <https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/7gBbvoxqgVWKxckyUq7HJ-jhL47fExD4oAiCYcZuzE4=?d=NZ9ZvdpBXsGnkdpeT9g_-7sZYoLal4fP8WithoQYsqNzW6rygV309yk1w_svVqBsnBXD3CIxsa_yRXsp-HF1qy9nk7F4JymgkfCiNeaS8PgxtSX3K7yw3pM5PZ5qF6m1_cYp628NJAjT_A8pP5MXM6ODpbuNrdjg3Tp5GcQyechvyH8Gx8LEk71by5nOLSC4e7T9YjY8zahvdEN9Aq97jyN1uGYMoc96jZEfEdEcPvUdtHeI3p-DE57-wR9M_d2mTD3nMjs8E2YOLgZtcwA27CaxfKJii2EKyYFxCKmQsAWqQ5p2WqyUtLPUjrfgRK9vMHVoa8asmM8I4Ht_WlFwOq3hAuO8P2YIFCRibn77Kv-8l83B3aZu2o9pgJ_NZKgTx808p3EavgYv2-pj2IK2af31PA_DPlv5hOgPioKKIrwb0A18OlsgC1t44u3RL-7S6csXOquza-EkNnYzgYmMwk6pZm535E-yVdQrjQ%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fauto%2Fwg%2Fwiki%2FAuto-f2f-april-2018>
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonsuk.
>>>>>
>>  
>>
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