Re: Accname question regarding self-references

Bryan – can you clarify that you still expect example 2 in the Accname spec to work correctly?

The following example shows the interaction of aria-labelledby and aria-label when a node has an aria-labelledby that refers to itself. The <span role="button"> elements have the accessible names "Delete Documentation.pdf" and "Delete HolidayLetter.pdf", respectively.

EXAMPLE 2
<h1>Files</h1>
<ul>
  <li>
    <a id="file_row1" href="./files/Documentation.pdf">Documentation.pdf</a>
    <span role="button" tabindex="0" id="del_row1" aria-label="Delete" aria-labelledby="del_row1 file_row1"></span>
  </li>
  <li>
    <a id="file_row2" href="./files/HolidayLetter.pdf">HolidayLetter.pdf</a>
    <span role="button" tabindex="0" id="del_row2" aria-label="Delete" aria-labelledby="del_row2 file_row2"></span>
  </li>
</ul>

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From: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 10:31 AM
To: Carolyn MacLeod <Carolyn_MacLeod@ca.ibm.com>, "public-aria@w3.org" <public-aria@w3.org>
Subject: RE: Accname question regarding self-references
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Resent-Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 10:31 AM

“where a component needs to augment an input's label with invisible text?”

What about the following?

<span id="nameId">Visible Name</span>
<input aria-labelledby="nameId" aria-description="Invisible Description" type="text">

Doesn’t this already do that?


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How could an author achieve this without either using the visually-hidden hack, or invalid "aria-label on span" code that happens to still work?

Here are 2 possible "work-arounds" that I tried, but I can't think of any others (could easily be missing something):
https://carmacleod.github.io/playground/self-ref-aria-label.html?ver=1


The work-arounds achieve the goal (accessible name is "The Label ariaLabel" in Chrome, Edge, Firefox, and Safari), but they are not very elegant work-arounds, and they necessarily involve growing another element to "solve" the "problem".

James, can you describe a concrete example (or two) where a component needs to augment an input's label with invisible text? I'm guessing there must be many, but I think 2 compelling concrete examples would be useful here.

Car

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Steve,

> link to the issue?

Seems to be this one: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1159567<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bugs.chromium.org_p_chromium_issues_detail-3Fid-3D1159567&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=7pxjQj6Sn7GadcQXUI8qdHzQ7owon0mR-h863iCnxZc&m=mbz1_iU8T6MdlVHlwCsQ2yWfa6mLMjMBLLUcYDOCTk0&s=cDpvq2wEj5DbZQRgNKm35iyXFl-JlRhECRq808QeLmQ&e=>

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Accname question regarding self-references
Date: Wed, Jan 6, 2021 7:15 AM



I would say A

ACCNAME would be

"The Label AriaLabel"

I'm sorry I've looked at this sentence 3 times and am scratching my head.

"the self-reference is ignored because the root node has already been processed when it was also the ‘current node’."

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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:57 AM Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>> wrote:
We are having a debate in a Chrome issue about the following.

link to the issue?
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 01:30, James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com<mailto:nurthen@adobe.com>> wrote:

We are having a debate in a Chrome issue about the following.



According to the accessible name algorithm what should be the accessible name of the input in the below



<span id="label">The Label</span>

<input id="input" aria-label="ariaLabel" aria-labelledby="label input" value="the value">



Choices

  1.  “The label ariaLabel”
  2.  “The label the value”
  3.  “The label ariaLabel the value”
  4.  Something else…





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