Re: alarm bells - was Special meeting this Thursday regarding Personalization Semantics

Lisa,
All the examples are already subject to change. In order to be able to use the aui- prefix in HTML there needs to be agreement with the Web Platform WG to allow these attributes in the host language. This discussion needs to happen wherever the Personalization Semantics Specification ends up - whether that is in APA or ARIA.

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From: "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM
To: "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
Cc: Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>, public-personalization-tf <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>
Subject: alarm bells - was Special meeting this Thursday regarding Personalization Semantics
Resent-From: <public-aria@w3.org>
Resent-Date: Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM

Hi folks

I found the last few minuets of the call alarming. Is the implication of moving that all the aria examples given in the specification become invalid? These are all the inline examples!  If we leave ARIA is the only way to implement it via microdata and RDFA?

Note only is it harder to do in these technologies we have NO implementations, were as we have 6 implementations working on the aria approach  - two of which are full consortiums with many members. None of these implementations work with enough context and scoping capabilities (that I know of) to support correct implementation using microdata or rDFA

I would guess that this will kill the whole effort and all the work in getting implementation and excitement over what we are doing.

All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 19:55:13 +0300 lisa.seeman<lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote ----
I should be able to make it
All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 19:41:00 +0300 Charles LaPierre<charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>> wrote ----
Here are the specifics on the ARIA WG Special Meeting
WAI-ARIA Working Group - 12 April 2018
Time: 10:00 AM US Pacific, 1:00 PM US Eastern, 17:00 UTC

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Thanks
EOM

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On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:14 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:

Can you clarify the time and call in details ?
All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 18:34:51 +0300 Ku<jku@illinois.edu<mailto:jku@illinois.edu>> wrote ----
+1  I will attend. – JaEun Jemma Ku

From: Thaddeus Cambron <inclusivethinking@gmail.com<mailto:inclusivethinking@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 4:57 PM
To: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com<mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>>
Cc: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org<mailto:public-aria@w3.org>>; lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>; Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>>
Subject: Re: [RSVP] Special meeting this Thursday regarding Personalization Semantics

+1 - Will attend - Thaddeus Cambron

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com<mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>> wrote:
Hey all.

As those of you who attended last week's meeting are aware, we are
considering moving the Personalization Task Force and its deliverables
out of ARIA and into APA. This is still being discussed by the
Personalization Task Force. See the mailing list thread opened with this
message [1], along with the minutes from today's Personalization
Semantics Task Force meeting [2].

Towards the end of today's meeting, in which some task force members
were absent and during which no consensus was reached, I proposed the
possibility of doing a WBS Survey to determine people's positions and
hopefully get closer to identifying a way forward that we all can live
with. Lisa pointed out that people shouldn't vote that have not heard
both sides. I think her observation is quite reasonable and that before
the ARIA Working Group vote in such a survey, we owe it to Lisa to give
her sufficient time to present her case directly to the Working Group.
For this reason, we are proposing to make this week's ARIA concall a
one-topic meeting, namely Personalization Semantics.

The reason for the "[RSVP]" tag is that we want to ensure that all of
the regular attendees, along with anyone else with an interest in this
matter, will be at the meeting to hear Lisa's presentation.

Thank you in advance for your response!
--joanie

[1]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2018Apr/0001.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fpublic-personalization-tf%2F2018Apr%2F0001.html&data=02%7C01%7Cnurthen%40adobe.com%7Cbfc90a16e5094b20cd8108d5a0a2609a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636591541660472556&sdata=%2FOXCfTHhZ6AMoox3wPS7SA87zj2n9xaAbsTXy8Zzf0Q%3D&reserved=0>
[2] https://www.w3.org/2018/04/09-personalization-minutes.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F04%2F09-personalization-minutes.html&data=02%7C01%7Cnurthen%40adobe.com%7Cbfc90a16e5094b20cd8108d5a0a2609a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636591541660472556&sdata=ihPa7Iv82h7DrNe4mXNHQQcA4%2BD%2B2a0aSVcI3F4XxwY%3D&reserved=0>