Re: Important concerns with naming calculation 'name from content' not being included in parent role accessible name.

Also, this isn't a change. It's always been like this.

We can't change the spec now. Lots of pages have been written to what's
been in there for a long time.

Aaron

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:36 PM Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com> wrote:

> Per the name calc algorithm, it should work if the table has role
> presentation.
>
> However, if the browser applied children presentational true before
> calculating the name, then it should work without explicitly declaring role
> presentation.
>
> So, I think it should just work because role tab should make the table
> disappear. If it doesn't work, I think that is a browser bug.
>
> Matt
>
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> Subject: RE: Important concerns with naming calculation 'name from content'
> not being included in parent role accessible name.
>
> As this is a table for layout
> - it should have
> role=presentation on it. This
> would then work wouldn't it?
> Regards,
> james
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Garaventa
> [mailto:bryan.garaventa@ssbbar
> tgroup.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017
> 11:08 AM
> To: ARIA Working Group
> <public-aria@w3.org>; Matt
> King <a11ythinker@gmail.com>;
> aleventhal@google.com; Dominic
> Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>;
> Marco Zehe
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> Schwerdtfeger
> <richschwer@gmail.com>; david
> bolter
> <david.bolter@gmail.com>;
> Alexander Surkov
> <asurkov@mozilla.com>; James
> Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
> Subject: Important concerns
> with naming calculation 'name
> from content' not being
> included in parent role
> accessible name.
>
> Hi,
> As most of us spoke of this
> last Monday in the APG call, I
> wanted to raise important
> concerns about the
> interpretation of the naming
> calculation, that specific
> roles that do not include
> 'name from content' are not
> being included in the parent
> role accessible name
> calculation.
>
> It was pointed out that this
> change is already included in
> Firefox, and I have built a
> sample that demonstrates why
> this global interpretation is
> dangerous. The following
> markup structure is now
> totally inaccessible in
> Firefox as a result of this
> change.
>
> <div tabindex="0" role="tab">
>         <table>
>                 <tr>
>                         <td>
> Inbox </td>
>                         <td>
> (23) </td>
>                 </tr>
>         </table>
> </div>
>
> Such a global interpretation
> would not just apply to all
> explicitly applied roles but
> to all implicitly mapped ones
> as well, and it is impossible
> to predict how and in what
> order all developers will need
> to apply ARIA roles in order
> to ensure accessibility in the
> future and that doesn't take
> into account what people are
> already doing right now.
>
> Aaron, can you please include
> the markup example here that
> you spoke of to demonstrate
> why this is a needed globally
> applied interpretation?
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
>
>
> Bryan Garaventa
> Accessibility Fellow
> SSB BART Group, Inc.
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