- From: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:26:55 -0700
- To: "'Joanmarie Diggs'" <jdiggs@igalia.com>, "'ARIA Working Group'" <public-aria@w3.org>
- Cc: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Apologies, belated regrets, was out sick today.
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From: Joanmarie Diggs [mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com]
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Cc: wai-xtech@w3.org
Subject: [AAPI] Minutes UIA TF Meeting Tuesday, 28 March 2017
Link: https://www.w3.org/2017/03/28-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
28 Mar 2017
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2017/03/28-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4](All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.
2. [5](Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from
ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup
3. [6](Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
4. [7](All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1
5. [8](Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for
aria-current
6. [9](All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1
7. [10](Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for
aria-current
8. [11]Triage actions/issues:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
* [12]Summary of Action Items
* [13]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.
JS: We have a request to Bogdan to update the UIA mappings to
add some more detail.
... There has been some back and forth via email.
... Bogdan recently let us know that he will be a bit delayed
with the proposed change due to a "(good) family change."
... I was working on a test case today and it would have been
quite helpful to have had more detail for UIA.
(Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup
JS: Joanie had done a pull request to remove
RELATION_POPUP_FOR.
... We discussed it last week.
... Today when I went to merge it, I had conflicts.
... I resolved it.
<clown> [14]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/537
[14] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/537
JS: URL above.
... It ends with a comment to Joanie to close it.
<clown>
[15]https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/7ab9810353df4d24c0a17ad3
9c2e55871f253775#diff-050019a87fcff05c45d14598767c5e28
[15]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/7ab9810353df4d24c0a17ad39c2e55871f253775#diff-050019a87fcff05c45d14598767c5e28
<clown>
[16]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#a
riaHaspopupTrue
[16]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue
JD: Looks good to me.
... I'll close it.
JS: You can close the branch too, or I can.
JD: Please do. Thanks!
JS: Done
(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
JS: It's the weekly checkin.
JD: I have been focued on all things harness. So no new updates
on this particular item. Sorry!
(All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1
RS: Jess sent me an email.
... They only have funding until the end of April.
JS: And I don't think we'll be to CR by then.
... I should be able to do what's currently known.
RS: I don't think there will be much more.
JD: Hopefully not, but don't speak too soon. I'm finding bugs
in the Core AAM as a consequence of the ATTA work.
... aria-current is the latest example
JS: So I need to see how many hours I have left that I can
spend on ARIA.
... And will get as much done as we can.
(Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current
(All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1
RS: We need to figure out what we're going to do.
... ARIA shouldn't need any editing now that we're in CR.
JS: There's Core AAM and AccName.
JD: Since I'm way more comfortable with Core AAM than AccName,
if Joseph has to focus on one, I'd prefer he focus on AccName.
RS: By the way, did you hear from Dominic?
<clown>
[17]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Mar/00
54.html
[17] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Mar/0054.html
JD: I didn't get a reply back.
JS: URL to the message Joanie sent above.
... And neither Dominic nor Alex have replied.
JD: I will follow up with them if I don't hear back in a couple
of days.
(Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current
JS: Joanie did another pull request a little while ago about
aria-current.
<clown> [18]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/543
[18] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/543
JS: Link above.
... Joanie caught this as part of her ATTA work.
... This was just an hour ago.
... But it looks like the attribute just needs to change from
"active" to "current".
... I will do this by the end of the week.
Triage actions/issues:
[19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
<clown> action-1681
<trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new
wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion
rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2017-03-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
[20] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
<clown>
[21]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#m
apping_general
[21]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_general
JS: Regarding action-1681, I raised it quite some time ago
because I thought the inclusion/exclusion rules were vague.
... Cynthia took a look and said overall things were fine, but
that there were a few things which could be improved.
... Rich subsequently wrote a couple of paragraphs for the ARIA
spec.
... I have since written some text for Core AAM (see link
above).
... It's the third paragraph (beginning with 'The terms
"exposing", "mapping", and "including"')
RS: Does this cover aria-owns?
<clown> Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another
element via a WAI-ARIA relation
([22]https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-controls,
[23]https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-describedby,
[24]https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-flowto,
[25]https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-labelledby
or [26]https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-owns) and
are not
[27]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#d
fn-hidden.
[22] https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-controls,
[23] https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-describedby,
[24] https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-flowto,
[25] https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-labelledby
[26] https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-owns)
[27]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#dfn-hidden.
<clown> Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another
element via a WAI-ARIA relation (aria-controls,
aria-describedby, aria-flowto, aria-labelledby or aria-owns)
and are not hidden.
JS: There's a section on inclusion which has the text I pasted
above.
RS: Did you include aria-details?
JS: That's a good observation.
RS: Also aria-errormessage.
JS: Ok.
... Every time we add a new property, we're going to have to
update this list.
... Oh well.
RS: Yup.
... I don't fully agree with item 4.
JS: Read the next item.
RS: Should we list those?
JS: It comes up later on.
... This is supposed to be a high-level section. The details
come up in subsequent sections, like 5.1.1.
RS: Under item 4, I would say, "in instances where ..."
... I would change item 5's second bullet.
... You might want to again say, "in instances where the host
language allows for CSS display:none, they cannot be made
focusable."
... Right now it's kind of wishy-washy....
JS: I'll think about it.
RS: In host languages where display:none is allowed on
elements, those elements cannot be made focusable.
JS: OK.
... I've also added a link to your (Rich's) section.
... So I send readers somewhere else to get the details.
RS: I think this is fine.
JS: Under 5.1.2, the second bullet has a new sentence.
... "Accessibility API events are documented in the Events
section."
... With Rich's suggested modifications being made, can we
close this?
RS: Yes, and I don't need to review it.
JS: What markup language doesn't allow display:none?
RS: You mentioned HTML, so....
JS: Thank you for your suggestions.
... Once I get those done, it will take care of both an issue
and an action.
Group: Yay!
<clown> action-2057
<trackbot> action-2057 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Suggest that axapi
mapping of role="form" should be a landmark in the AXSubRole.
-- due 2016-05-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2057
[28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2057
JS: There's an action on Joanie (above).
... It was due May of last year.
<clown>
[29]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#r
ole-map-form
[29]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-form
JD: Still on my list. Sorry!
<clown> action-2130
<trackbot> action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if AX
AXPI supports an event if the accessible description changes.
-- due 2016-12-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130
[30] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130
JD: We can answer this one after we finish the ATTA and harness
work.
<clown> action-2131
<trackbot> action-2131 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review
HTML-AAM -- due 2017-01-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2131
[31] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2131
<clown> [32]https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/81
[32] https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/81
RS: I've done a little bit of the review, but I'm not yet done.
JS: You filed github issue 81.
RS: Steve made some changes and closed the issue.
... We actually discussed it on the ARIA call a while back.
JS: Can we close your issue?
RS: No. I'm still working on it. Issue 81 was just one part of
it.
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
Received on Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:28:03 UTC