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Re: Conflicting inclusion/exclusion criteria for elements in the accessibility tree (Was: Re: [ARIA] Agenda: March 3, 2016 WAI-ARIA Working Group)

From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:16:59 -0700
To: public-aria@w3.org
Message-ID: <56E8519B.4080304@oracle.com>
+1

Please don't second guess authors. The scenario described, while not 
common, does need to happen from time to time.

Regards,
James

On 3/15/2016 11:10 AM, Amelia Bellamy-Royds wrote:
> In that case, I think the author has written a very broken website.
>
> aria-hidden should only be used for content that is either decorative 
> or redundant (or is currently visually hidden or offscreen).  If an 
> author is adding mouse-only interaction to a decorative or redundant 
> part of the interface, without also implementing keyboard equivalents 
> elsewhere, they are a horrible person and I don't mind if there 
> website behaves in a very broken way.
>
> In the converse, what if an accessibility-minded author has two 
> different controls for the same function, one is mouse/touch oriented 
> and the other is keyboard/accessibility oriented.  Why should we 
> second-guess their decision to put explicit attributes such as 
> aria-hidden and negative tabindex?  For example, maybe you can pan & 
> zoom a map or diagram by dragging the mouse and scrolling the mouse 
> wheel, but you can also pan & zoom by using slider controls or buttons.
>
> ~ABR
>
>
> On 15 March 2016 at 11:58, Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu 
> <mailto:clown@alum.mit.edu>> wrote:
>
>     On 2016-03-15 1:52 PM, Amelia Bellamy-Royds wrote:
>
>         If something has negative tabindex *and* aria-hidden="true",
>         it should definitely not be in the tab order!
>
>
>     How does that work for a keyboard only user?  On the assumption
>     that the user can see it, wants to put focus on it, and the only
>     way they can is via TAB navigation ...?
>

-- 
Regards, James

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