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[aapi] Minutes: UAI TF Meeting Tue, 8 March, 2016

From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 16:13:33 -0500
To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
Cc: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Message-ID: <56DF407D.6010903@igalia.com>
Link: https://www.w3.org/2016/03/08-aapi-minutes.html

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

   Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

08 Mar 2016

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/08-aapi-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, Joseph_Scheuhammer,
          Cynthia_Shelly, Rich_Schwerdtfeger

   Regrets
   Chair
          Joseph_Scheuhammer

   Scribe
          joanie

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Adiministration: Daylight Savings Time for North
            America (at least) is in effect next week.
         2. [5]ACTION-2012/ACTION-2013/Action-1667 (Joseph,
            Cynthia) UIA mappings for landmark roles, pull request
            merged: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/272
         3. [6]ACTION-1569/1585/ISSUE-540 (All) Section on AAPI
            differences - my response to Jason's latest, and
            including Cynthia's new example.
         4. [7]ACTION-1541 (Joseph) AXAPI mapping for aria-modal
            property -- update progress.
         5. [8]ACTION-2008: (Cynthia) Handle concept of
            description property for UIA.
         6. [9]aria-kbdshortcuts
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     * [11]Summary of Resolutions
     __________________________________________________________

   <clown> agenda: this

Adiministration: Daylight Savings Time for North America (at least)
is in effect next week.

   JS: Quick reminder that next week North America is on Daylight
   Saving Time.

ACTION-2012/ACTION-2013/Action-1667 (Joseph, Cynthia) UIA mappings
for landmark roles, pull request merged:
[12]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/272

     [12] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/272

   <clown> action-2012

   <trackbot> action-2012 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UIA mapping for
   role="region" (Github issue #243) -- due 2016-02-12 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2012

     [13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2012

   <clown> action-2013

   <trackbot> action-2013 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UIA mapping for
   role=navigation (GIthub issue #242) -- due 2016-02-12 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2013

     [14] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2013

   <clown> action-1667

   <trackbot> action-1667 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update the
   mapping spec for aria role region to reflect its landmark
   inheritance as defined in the aria 1.1 spec. -- due 2016-02-26
   -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1667

     [15] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1667

   <clown> action-2012

   <trackbot> action-2012 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UIA mapping for
   role="region" (Github issue #243) -- due 2016-02-12 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2012

     [16] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2012

   <clown> [17]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/272

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/272

   JS: Cynthia has this pull request.
   ... URL above.

   <clown>
   [18]https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/5b29b85d5d4ebee1b374bef2
   f887b8b6dd72cac9

     [18]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/5b29b85d5d4ebee1b374bef2f887b8b6dd72cac9

   JS: She makes changes to the various landmark roles for UIA.

   CS: These are all similar.
   ... We added two new properties: landmark-type and
   localized-landmark-type.
   ... The latter is a user-facing string.
   ... A number of the landmarks are not direct mappings, in which
   case we use "custom" and then a localized landmark type string
   for the specific name.
   ... For ARIA, the localized control type and localized landmark
   type strings will always be the same.
   ... For HTML, the localized control type will be the same as
   HTML, and the localized landmark type will be the ARIA string.
   ... This is what the landmark is called (header versus banner,
   for example).
   ... Adding the localized landmark type based on ARIA will make
   them available in verbose mode.
   ... I did make some of the strings more user-friendly (e.g.
   "contentinfo" to "content information")

   <clown>
   [19]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/uia-landmarks/core-aam/core-aam.
   html#role-map-banner

     [19]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/uia-landmarks/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-banner

   JS: The URL above has Cynthia's changes.
   ... (reads from table)

   CS: The fact that the landmark type is non null means Narrator
   will pick it up.

   JS: Everyone ok with this?

   (Group discusses the nature of the names of various landmark
   types)

   <clown>
   [20]https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/8b9a91717b14a5e91f2ce6d5
   76fcc182ef032aca

     [20]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/8b9a91717b14a5e91f2ce6d576fcc182ef032aca

   JS: The only problem I had is that it changed the phrase
   "control type/role" to "Control Type."
   ... I went through the document and made this change for the
   rest of the Core AAM.

   <richardschwerdtfeger> +1

   CS: It looks fine.

   JS: Then I will push all those changes in and close the
   relative actions.
   ... And the github issues as well?

   CS: Yes.

ACTION-1569/1585/ISSUE-540 (All) Section on AAPI differences - my
response to Jason's latest, and including Cynthia's new example.

   <clown> action-1569

   <trackbot> action-1569 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Create a
   section that describes AAPI differences -- due 2016-02-23 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1569

     [21] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1569

   <clown> action-1585

   <trackbot> action-1585 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add to the
   section on differences among aapis highlighting the features of
   uia. -- due 2016-01-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1585

     [22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1585

   <clown> action-2032

   <trackbot> action-2032 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Provide a new
   example for the accessibility api explanatory text. -- due
   2016-03-01 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2032

     [23] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2032

   <clown>
   [24]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1569-%282%29/core-aam/cor
   e-aam.html#uia

     [24]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1569-%282%29/core-aam/core-aam.html#uia

   JS: Here's the URL (above) with the text.
   ... This is Jason's branch.

   <clown>
   [25]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1569-%282%29/core-aam/cor
   e-aam.html#uia

     [25]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1569-%282%29/core-aam/core-aam.html#uia

   CS: It's in 1.3.2.

   JS: Cynthia gave me new text for an example for treeitem
   control type for UIA.

   CS: It's just an example to illustrate control types in UIA.

   JS: I am just asking Cynthia if this is ok.

   CS: I noticed one nit, namely that tree items are not actually
   sentient.

   RS: But a tree item is not always expandable.

   CS: It is in UIA.

   RS + JS: What are the leaves called?

   CS: I believe they are still tree items, but they might be
   links or buttons.
   ... The purpose of this example is to explain what is required
   versus optional, and what control patterns are.
   ... For instance a tree item must be expandable, it might or
   might not also be scrollable.
   ... If this example is confusing, I could come up with a
   different one.
   ... Or we could just say this is good enough for now.

   JS: I think it's good enough for now, but Rich seems to have
   concerns.

   CS: The goal of the example is to show how control patterns can
   be mixed together.
   ... Does it address that goal?

   BG: Does leaf node count for checkable item state?

   CS: A tree item could have children that are, among other
   things, checkable.
   ... You can add any pattern to any item.
   ... But by default, expand/collapse is the only required
   pattern for tree item.

   JS: Jason Kiss is the one who suggested these sections be
   added.
   ... Rich, do you have a better example?

   RS: What about a slider?

   CS: I don't think that's a control type, but a pattern (range).
   ... There is a slider control type.
   ... But it doesn't have a required control type.
   ... Which is why I didn't pick it for this example.

   RS: Scrollbar?

   CS: Has no required patterns.

   RS: It's not required to scroll?

   CS: I could use radio button, but radio button is not allowed
   to have the toggle pattern.
   ... (Reviews other controls for better example, and finds no
   better option.)

   RS: Any reason why we don't use the 'code' tag in this text for
   the UIA tree item control type?

   CS: Probably a good idea that we do that.

   JS: This text is on Jason Kiss's branch, by the way.

   CS: Suggestion: Go ahead and commit this and then give me a new
   issue or action to fix the rest (e.g. 'code' tags)

   JS: It's showing up in the spec now, but it's in a branch.

   <clown> [26]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/279

     [26] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/279

   JS: There's a pull request from Jason (above).
   ... And he's still working on it, so I'm not ready to commit it
   to master.
   ... If you go to that URL, you'll see I added some things.

   CS: So I would need to make changes to Jason's branch?

   JS: Yes.

   (Action reassigned to Cynthia with note to make edititorial
   changes discussed)

   <clown> [27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2032

     [27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2032

   JS: Note added to action-2032.
   ... You might want to email Jason to tell him you're working on
   his branch.

ACTION-1541 (Joseph) AXAPI mapping for aria-modal property -- update
progress.

   <clown> action-1541?

   <trackbot> action-1541 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Investigate and
   propose mappings for aria-modal property for axapi. -- due
   2016-02-08 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1541

     [28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1541

   JS: I don't think I have any new information.
   ... Before last week's meeting, I posed a question in WebKit's
   bugzilla.

   <clown> [29]https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138566#c23

     [29] https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138566#c23

   JS: And I haven't gotten an answer.

   JD: Did you try what I suggested?
   ... Assign this to me to try what I am suggesting you do. I
   have a current trunk build of Safari.

   <clown> ACTION: Joanie to run the webkit aria-modal test file
   to see what happens vis-a-vis the background. [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/08-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/08-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2038 - Run the webkit aria-modal test
   file to see what happens vis-a-vis the background. [on
   Joanmarie Diggs - due 2016-03-15].

   <clown> action-2038

   <trackbot> action-2038 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Run the webkit
   aria-modal test file to see what happens vis-a-vis the
   background. -- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2038

     [31] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2038

ACTION-2008: (Cynthia) Handle concept of description property for
UIA.

   <clown> action-2008?

   <trackbot> action-2008 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Handle concept
   of description property for UIA -- due 2016-03-01 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2008

     [32] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2008

   JS: I just saw this come in today.
   ... (Reads from comment)

   We are adding a UIA property called "FullDescription" in
   addition to the existing "Name" and "HelpText" properties and
   "LabeledBy" and "DescribedBy" relationships It is not yet in
   public builds. I will update UIA mappings to include it.

   JS: And you assigned this to me.

   CS: Because it was due today.

   JS: So I'll assign it back to you and re-set the status to
   open.
   ... And once you've made the edits, reassign it back to me.

aria-kbdshortcuts

   action-2036

   <trackbot> action-2036 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Modify
   aria-kbdshortcut based on group feedback -- due 2016-03-06 --
   OPEN

   <trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2036

     [33] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2036

   CS: I looked at what's available in UIA.
   ... My notes are in action-1635

   action-1635

   <trackbot> Sorry, but action-1695 does not exist.

   <richardschwerdtfeger>
   [34]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2036/aria/aria.html#aria-
   keyshortcuts

     [34]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2036/aria/aria.html#aria-keyshortcuts

   <cyns> [35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1695

     [35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1695

   CS: UIA has a couple of things in the ballpark, but neither are
   an exact match.
   ... Accelerator key are typically Ctrl (e.g. Ctrl+S to save)
   ... Access keys (also called mnemonics) are the things where
   the underline shows up when you hold down the Alt key.

   RS: Mnemonics typically give focus to something, but not
   activate them.

   CS: That's not the case in menus, which is where they are
   frequently used.

   RS: Accelerators always invoke.

   CS: Yes.
   ... I think Accelerator key is closer, but it does invoke.
   ... And there was some discussion about whether invoking was
   required or optional.

   RS: Our aria-kbdshortcuts is for documentation.
   ... But it won't give it focus.

   CS: The way that it seems to work in UIA is that if it's put on
   something invokable, it invokes; otherwise it gives is focus.
   ... I'm not sure if exposing aria-kbdshortcuts in this fashion
   is going to cause a change in user interaction.

   RS: So when it's exposed in your API....

   CS: I think that wires it up to be invoked.
   ... In the case of a link, it should invoke; in the case of a
   text field, it should focus.

   RS: That's ok because it's essentially a click.

   CS: Yes, invoke is click.

   RS: If you click on a text field, it's going to focus.
   ... So I think that's ok.

   CS: Either one is fine, if we want to scope it tightly for 1.1.
   ... On a set that's larger, I think I can do that too.
   ... My concern is that if we do so, Windows is going to start
   doing things.

   RS: I'm a little worried about it because if you do the invoke,
   it would happen under the covers.

   CS: UIA is a two-way API; ARIA is a one-way API. It's a
   mismatch.

   JD: I am pretty sure the spec specifically states that no
   action is supposed to occur as a result of the exposure.
   ... And that the author is required to do all the
   user-interaction implementation.
   ... It's just notifying ATs of the existence of this property.

   CS: I may be able to do this on my platform, but I'm not yet
   sure.
   ... I'll dig a bit more and see if these things can be
   separated.

   <scribe> scribenick: joanie

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Joanie to run the webkit aria-modal test file to
   see what happens vis-a-vis the background. [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/08-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

     [36] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/08-aapi-minutes.html#action01

Summary of Resolutions

   [End of minutes]
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