> On Jun 30, 2016, at 4:18 AM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:
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>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> roledescription is new for ARIA 1.1 and so the ATs really have not used it yet.
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> It landed in WebKit not long after the feature went into the 1.1 spec. It works at least two releases of both iOS and macOS.
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> You can try it out on the "arrow" within this bitmap SVG.
> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/svg_bitmap/ <http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/svg_bitmap/>
>> That said we can work with them to ensure that they don’t say anything.
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>> net net. That should be doable. It is a great suggestion by Jason and it would avoid having another role.
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> I consider an empty @aria-roledescription more of a temporary workaround than a long term solution. It suffices to postpone the other role discussion, but it's be ill advised to promote that technique as a recommended authoring practice.
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I agree it is a temporary solution. However, if we can’t get the group to agree on the new role it may be needed as a technique. At this point my issues with the new role have been addressed.
> James
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>> Rich
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>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com <mailto:amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> [Jason] Couldn’t you do this in ARIA 1.1 with aria-roledescription=””, thereby suppressing presentation of the image role by the screen reader?
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>>> I'm okay with recommending that the img role continue to be used for text-as-graphics, but I'm curious about Jason's suggestion of an empty role description value. Has anyone tested whether that actually works and makes sense when exposed by a screen reader?
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>>> This wouldn't affect anything in ARIA 1.1, but would affect authoring guidance.
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