- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:07:55 -0500
- To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
- Cc: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
URL: https://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
06 Dec 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa,
Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ACTION-2120: (Joseph/Bogdan) UIA: clean up mapping
for aria-haspopup.
2. [5]ACTION-2070: (Joseph/Bogdan) Add UIA Range Value
Pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping
table (e.g., slider).
3. [6]ISSUE-1038: (Bogdan) Mappings for feed, figure,
term, and UIA in general.
4. [7]ISSUE-618: (All) Orphan test file.
5. [8]ISSUE-705: (Rich) Harmonize the list of mappings
for MSAA, UIA, IA2, and possibly other platforms.
6. [9]ISSUE-654: (All) Add label and description changes
to change event section.
7. [10]Triage issues/actions:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
* [11]Summary of Action Items
* [12]Summary of Resolutions
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<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
ACTION-2120: (Joseph/Bogdan) UIA: clean up mapping for aria-haspopup.
<clown> action-2120?
<trackbot> action-2120 -- Bogdan Brinza to UIA: clean up
mapping for aria-haspopup -- due 2016-10-18 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2120
[13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2120
JS: We talked about this last week.
... There was something in his original wording about
aria-expanded.
<clown>
[14]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/467#issuecomment-263687119
[14] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/467#issuecomment-263687119
JS: You (Rich) wrote a comment in github indicating it would
not work (URL above).
... He reworded it, you (Rich) said it was fine.
<clown>
[15]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#a
riaHaspopupTrue
[15]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue
JS: So I've merged it in.
... The URL above is an example (aria-haspopup="true")
... (Reads from spec)
RS: That it's an "if" (i.e. if the author has put it)
JS: Correction, I thought I had done the changes but I guess I
did not.
... I have it locally.
<richardschwerdtfeger> Implement ExpandCollapse Control
Pattern. If the element has aria-expanded (state), set the
ExpandCollapseState property to match it.
RS: I see it updated.
... The text above is what I am seeing.
JS: Firefox is showing me the old wording.
... Chrome shows the correct wording.
RS: You good?
JS: I am good if everyone else is good.
... He (Bogdan) has closed the pull request.
... So I want to close the action.
RS: Ok.
JS: It's already closed. Bogdan closed it this morning.
ACTION-2070: (Joseph/Bogdan) Add UIA Range Value Pattern to the range
related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider).
<clown> action-2070?
<trackbot> action-2070 -- Bogdan Brinza to Add UIA Range Value
Pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table
(e.g., slider). -- due 2016-07-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2070
[16] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2070
JS: This is something to do with the range value pattern as it
applies to slider, scrollbar, and the like.
<clown> [17]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/495
[17] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/495
JS: He had a pull request.
... I looked at it yesterday, but it wasn't different.
... It appears that he updated it yesterday.
... Oh, he's combined it with figure, term, etc.
RS: Branch?
<clown>
[18]https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/c
ore-aam.html#role-map-feed
[18]
https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-feed
JS: Link above for feed, which is the first one.
RS: Looks ok to me.
... Didn't we look at these last week?
JS: Figure looks good.
RS: Yup.
JS: Next is term, with control type of list item.
RS: OK
JS: Matches MSAA
... Next is aria-colcount.
<clown>
[19]https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/c
ore-aam.html#ariaColCount
[19]
https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaColCount
RS: colindex goes on grid item, colspan does too.
... Looks good.
... rowcount goes on the grid.
JS: rowindex and rowspan also look good.
RS: Yup.
JS: Where did he do the range thing?
... He is doing something with a "range value pattern."
... It should be on slider.
... It says implement range control pattern. I think that's the
new piece.
RS: Makes sense.
JS: On slider, spinbutton, scrollbar....
RS: I think we looked at these last week.
JS: What else is there?
RS: Progressbar
JS: That's the last one.
RS: And he did not do it the same way.
JS: There's an "if" on that one, because it can be
indeterminate.
RS: That's odd.
JS: Do we want to ask a question?
JD: It's a busy indicator.
JS: Actually this is the same text we had.
RS: I think this is ok.
... We'll see what happens when we go through the actual
testing.
... But this is good, he put them all in.
JS: I'll assign it to me as a reminder to pull it.
RS: Did he update the changelog?
JS: I don't think so, but I'll write myself a note to do it.
RS: This should close a lot of issues.
JS: I'll do a due date of tomorrow so it will start popping up
later this week.
... I'll close it once I do the pull.
ISSUE-1038: (Bogdan) Mappings for feed, figure, term, and UIA in
general.
<clown> issue-1038?
<trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed",
"figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
[20] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
JS: This one we already dealt with.
... But this one also includes James Craig's work as a
subaction.
... So I won't close this until James Craig does his stuff.
ISSUE-618: (All) Orphan test file.
<clown> issue-618?
<trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single
selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
[21] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
JS: I went through this yesterday to figure out what it was.
... I've since partially forgotten about it.
... Buried at the bottom is a comment from Cynthia that she
made a test file for this.
<clown>
[22]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2014Jun/0007
.html
[22] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2014Jun/0007.html
JS: She didn't have a place for the file, so she emailed it to
the xtech list (URL above)
... I did some digging and talked with Michael to see if the
test ever made it into the harness, etc.
... We discovered that it only exists in this email.
... I'd like to push this off to the testing group to have them
decide if they can use it.
... Whom can I choose from the testing group for this?
RS: Let me take a look.
... What is the test?
JS: It's for mapping when an item becomes unselected in MSAA
and you want to see what event is emitted.
... I think it's a selection-remove event.
RS: Is it in the spec?
JS: I believe so.
RS: We can add it to the harness.
... But I don't know which specific item it belongs to.
JS: There is (and was) no test case for this.
... And it wasn't clear what the expected behavior should be.
... There was no test case in ARIA 1.0 for this.
... Alex told me they use selection-remove in this particular
case.
... The case being the removal of selection from a single item
in a container.
<richardschwerdtfeger> d
<richardschwerdtfeger>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_
id=1
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1
<clown> "I've been asking the testing sub-group about this, and
the current expectation is that we won't use the
/WAI/PF/testharness/ tool at all, it will be fully covered by
the automated test harness."
<richardschwerdtfeger>
[24]https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements
[24] https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements
JS: The above statement is what Michael told me.
RS: And the URL I just provided is the right case.
JS: So it sounds like I can give this file to you, Rich.
... And you can decide to include it or decide it doesn't
belong or whatever.
Group: (Discussion about status of events and testing thereof)
<clown> ACTION: Rich to deal with Cynthia's test file
referenced in ISSUE-618 [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2129 - Deal with cynthia's test file
referenced in issue-618 [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due
2016-12-13].
<richardschwerdtfeger> action-219?
<trackbot> Sorry, but action-219 does not exist.
<clown> action-2129
<trackbot> action-2129 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Deal with
cynthia's test file referenced in issue-618 -- due 2016-12-13
-- OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2129
[26] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2129
JD: We added initial support to the ATTA, but I don't believe
anyone has written any assertions yet.
Group: Rich will add this to his TODO list, a new action will
be created, Rich will talk to Joanie and Shane before defining
anything significant.
<richardschwerdtfeger> Talk to Shane and Joanie on how to
handle events before doing the following:
<richardschwerdtfeger> Create a testable statement, test case,
and expected results:
<richardschwerdtfeger>
[27]https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements
[27] https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements
ISSUE-705: (Rich) Harmonize the list of mappings for MSAA, UIA, IA2,
and possibly other platforms.
<clown> issue-705?
<trackbot> issue-705 -- Harmonize the list of mappings for
MSAA, UIA, IA2, and possibly other platforms. -- open
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/705
[28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/705
JS: I have a feeling this issue has been handled.
... But have a look at this and tell me if you think this issue
is still valid.
... You (Rich) sent the original email out.
RS: I thought we went through all of that.
JS: That's my recollection, but I couldn't remember any
details.
... Are we closing this issue?
RS: Sure.
ISSUE-654: (All) Add label and description changes to change event
section.
<clown> issue-654?
<trackbot> issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to
section "State and Property Change Events" -- open
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654
[29] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654
<clown>
[30]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#a
riaDescribedBy
[30]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaDescribedBy
<clown>
[31]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#e
vent-aria-describedby
[31]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#event-aria-describedby
JS: This issue is about events.
... If the label or description changes, it fires an event.
... I think James Teh wanted an event for descriptions, and
Firefox put it in.
<clown>
[32]https://w3c.github.io/aria/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#eve
nts
[32] https://w3c.github.io/aria/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#events
JS: I put the mappings in the accname-aam.
... If the description changes, an event is fired:
description-changed.
... No one said you have to pay attention to it. But it's there
if you need it.
BG: I brought it up.
... I have you a tooltip, and the tooltip element isn't
showing/rendered, the description relationship would not be in
place until the tooltip was rendered.
JS: The URL I gave has the event mapping for all platforms.
RS: One problem, you have "TBD" for AXAPI's accessible
description.
JS: Joanie, would you happen to know off-hand if there's an
event for this?
<clown> ACTION: Joanie to determine if AX API supports an event
if the accessible description changes. [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2130 - Determine if ax api supports
an event if the accessible description changes. [on Joanmarie
Diggs - due 2016-12-13].
JD: No, but I can grep through code.
<clown> action-2130
<trackbot> action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if ax
api supports an event if the accessible description changes. --
due 2016-12-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130
[34] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130
JD: But I cannot do it while scribing.
Group: Give Joanie an action.
Triage issues/actions:
[35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
[35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
<clown> issue-635
<trackbot> issue-635 -- Determine if uaig mappings for rowgroup
are correct -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/635
[36] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/635
JS: Alex added accessibles for rowgroup.
... The last thing is that everyone here, including Cynthia,
agreed we should map rowgroup to something in the various
accessibility APIs.
<clown>
[37]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#r
ole-map-rowgroup
[37]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-rowgroup
JS: All provided mappings, but AXAPI.
... Before, rowgroup was not mapped to anything.
... There was a lot of discussion.
... James Craig thinks it should not be mapped and Firefox
should remove it.
... Alex feels that authors could make rowgroups focusable,
interactive, etc.
... James Craig, I believe, thinks authors should not do that.
RS: I don't think we'll get consensus on this one.
... So I would close it as a WONTFIX.
... Because we cannot achieve cross-platform consensus.
... And it's unlikely this will ever become a real issue.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Joanie to determine if AX API supports an event
if the accessible description changes. [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Rich to deal with Cynthia's test file referenced
in ISSUE-618 [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc
[39] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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