Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

Hi, all. I'm not yet clear on definition for the new role. What role should
we use to expose a 'landmark' role that have a better role match, like FORM
role?

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Alright, please add the role to IA2. We will update the ARIA mapping spec
> and I will let some of the ATs know and We will need to let Google know as
> well.
>
> Rich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 23, 2016, at 4:50 PM, James Teh <jamie@nvaccess.org> wrote:
> >
> > That's a fair justification. We don't have a collections interface for
> IA2, so if we did want to fetch all landmarks, we have to walk the entire
> tree in-process, in which case checking the role is about the same as
> checking xml-roles. Still, it does make sense and I'm happy to accept it
> given the consensus.
> >
> > I'll leave convincing the other Windows ATs up to someone else, though...
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >> On 24/02/2016 4:34 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> >> Hey Jamie.
> >>
> >> At least on my platform, getting all of the ROLE_LANDMARK objects (e.g.
> >> for a list of landmarks dialog) via AtspiCollection is a lot more
> >> performant than getting all the elements and then filtering out the
> >> non-landmarks (99-100% of the set) via object attribute. The xml-roles
> >> value remains useful for those cases where it matters what type of
> >> landmark a particular element happens to be.
> >>
> >> If you don't have a similar advantage on your platform, then I guess the
> >> justification is the desire to keep our completely different platforms
> >> as aligned as possible. And if you accept ROLE_LANDMARK, the next time
> >> one of us has to compromise/give in, it will be my turn. <grins>
> >>
> >> --joanie
> >>
> >>> On 02/22/2016 08:37 PM, James Teh wrote:
> >>> Hi Rich,
> >>>
> >>> I don't necessarily have an objection to introducing a new role, but I
> >>> also don't quite follow the justification.
> >>>
> >>> I follow that region became a subclass of landmark. However, I don't
> >>> follow how this changes the "landmark" role; if anything, it changes
> the
> >>> "region" role. And even then, the region role never had its own IA2
> role
> >>> in the first place. Furthermore, since we have to look at xml-roles
> >>> anyway (as we always have, despite my objection years ago, but that's
> an
> >>> entirely different story), I don't follow how the landmark role is
> useful.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure I'm missing something here. Can you enlighten me? :)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jamie
> >>>
> >>>> On 20/02/2016 9:37 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
> >>>> Hi Alex,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am following up on this earlier discussion regarding needing an
> >>>> IA2_LANDMARK_ROLE
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-January/001993.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A fundamental change from ARIA 1.0 is we now have the role “region” as
> >>>> a descendant of a role of landmark:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#region
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So, this is the revised set of landmarks:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#landmark_roles
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason for this is developers have been using labelledy regions as
> >>>> landmarks and in HTML5 we now have a section landmark which will
> >>>> default to a role of “region” if it has a label on it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Given this change we would like this a new IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK that
> >>>> matches the landmark role we now have in ATK/ATSPI. The xml-roles
> >>>> attribute would take the value of the actual role as we know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there any objection to introducing this new role in IA2?
> >>>>
> >>>> We are trying to lock down ARIA 1.1 and this is one of the issues we
> >>>> need to address.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Rich
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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