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Re: Draft Minutes 1/27/16

From: Michiel Bijl <michiel@agosto.nl>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:11:42 +0100
Cc: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, James Nurthen <james@nurthen.com>, public-apa@w3.org
Message-Id: <EE317C90-7C0B-4C6D-A001-F598518B7E2D@agosto.nl>
To: Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
The HTML spec uses black on green <http://w3c.github.io/html/semantics.html#a-group-of-images-that-form-a-single-larger-picture-with-links> (which seems fine to me). Can’t we use that too? Meaning of a section is already communicated through background colour and the words/title thing.

—Michiel

> On 29 Jan 2016, at 14:41, Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru>> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:13:38 +0100, James Nurthen <james@nurthen.com <mailto:james@nurthen.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Note that Respec does have colour contrast problems - I just checked the
>> ARIA spec.
>> I found the following issues
>> 
>> NOTE boxes - the text NOTE fails the colour contrast ratio
>> EXAMPLE Boxes - the test EXAMPLE X fails the colour contrast ratio
>> green attribute value text within the examples and elsewhere, fails the
>> colour contrast ratio
>> Green Editors Note text in yellow boxes fails the colour contrast ratio
> 
> Does someone have a suggestion for colours that would meet the ratio?
> 
> cheers
> 
>> Regards,
>> James
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:21 AM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Colleagues,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Draft minutes (minus, apparently, ACTION items assigned – probably my
>>> bad) can be found at:
>>> https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Text version (with ACTIONS) follows:
>>> 
>>> - DRAFT -Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference27
>>> Jan 2016
>>> 
>>> See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc>>
>>> Attendees
>>> 
>>> *Present*
>>> 
>>> *Janina, JF, fesch*
>>> 
>>> *Regrets*
>>> 
>>> *Leonie, Joanie, Shane*
>>> 
>>> *Chair*
>>> 
>>> *SV_MEETING_CHAIR*
>>> 
>>> *Scribe*
>>> 
>>> *JF*
>>> Contents
>>> 
>>>   - Topics <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#agenda <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#agenda>>
>>> 
>>> 1.    preview agenda with items from two minutes
>>> <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item01 <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item01>>
>>> 
>>> 2.    Actions Review (Specs)
>>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open>
>>> <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item02 <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item02>>
>>> 
>>> 3.    Decision Policy -- Ready for CfC?
>>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy <http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy>
>>> <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item03 <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item03>>
>>> 
>>> 4.    Actions Review (Specs)
>>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open>
>>> <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item04 <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#item04>>
>>> 
>>>   - Summary of Action Items
>>>   <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#ActionSummary <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#ActionSummary>>
>>>   - Summary of Resolutions
>>>   <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>>
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> <*Zakim*> joanie, you wanted to ask about moving the action
>>> preview agenda with items from two minutes
>>> 
>>> <*scribe*> scribe: JF
>>> 
>>> *JS:* looking to set up a different system for looking at Spec review
>>> ... to remove the dependancy on Michael Cooper
>>> 
>>> *JF:* some discussion kicking off around starting a TF focused on writing
>>> unit tests, not only for ARIA 1.1 but perhaps other efforts as well
>>> 
>>> *JS:* we should also revisit CSS Flexbox discussions with CSS WG
>>> 
>>> *CYNS:* have been having some back-channel discussions there as well
>>> 
>>> *JS:* look to revisit in February
>>> 
>>> *Cyns:* MS has become a lot more engaged in this activity. With the split
>>> of ARIA and APA, MSFT is adding a new person to the work
>>> Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/openDecision
>>> Policy -- Ready for CfC? http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy
>>> 
>>> *JS:* there has been discussion here and in the ARIA WG - there has been
>>> a bit of a re-write to help clarify and avoid some 'gotchas'
>>> 
>>> with a note that CfC's need to be handled on the admin list, not the main
>>> discussion list
>>> 
>>> which was the purpose of the admin list - it allows us to restrict the
>>> participation (comments, welcome, long discussions essentially not)
>>> 
>>> *JS:* believe we are ready for a CfC on this topic - Janina to issue the
>>> CfC later this week or next, in sync with the ARIA WG
>>> ... encouraging all to vote on both issues
>>> 
>>> *RESOLUTION: meeting agrees to take Draft Decision Policy to CfC*
>>> Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
>>> 
>>> *MC:*
>>> 
>>> <*MichaelC*> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
>>> 
>>> *MC:* Action 2001
>>> 
>>> *JS:* on Leonie, who is not here today
>>> 
>>> ACTION 1749
>>> 
>>> *RS:* don't believe there is much here
>>> 
>>> *MC:* Potentially we can close this as it is moving forward elsewhere and
>>> appears to be OK
>>> 
>>> *Cyns:* leave open, and will report back soon
>>> 
>>> <*MichaelC*> close action-1749
>>> 
>>> <*trackbot*> Closed action-1749.
>>> 
>>> <*MichaelC*> action-1749: needs device independent stuff, but separate
>>> action
>>> 
>>> <*trackbot*> Notes added to action-1749 Review ui events.
>>> 
>>> *MC:* Need to record this in a wiki page as well
>>> 
>>> *JS:* this is where we need multiple hands working together
>>> ... we received a request for comments earlier this week
>>> 
>>> <*janina*> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/419
>>> 
>>> we just need a way to annotate the graphic, in use-cases where it may be a
>>> help screen or similar
>>> 
>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/appmanifest/
>>> 
>>> <*MichaelC*> needs device independent stuff, but separate action
>>> 
>>> <*MichaelC*> needs device independent stuff, but separate action
>>> 
>>> <*MichaelC*>
>>> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/commit/04d72e16764068dea1f353e781312e325fd774f7
>>> 
>>> *JS:* sounds like we need to provide them with some info and details on
>>> providing better alt text and descriptions
>>> ... James N had issues around the spash screen scenario
>>> 
>>> *MC:* issues around color contrast as well
>>> ... who is taking the next step on this
>>> ... we should get cynthia to join the discussion to confuse everyone
>>> 
>>> [laughter]
>>> 
>>> *JS:* should we check back with Shane to see if Respec is a root of some
>>> problems?
>>> 
>>> *fesch:* Is this the issue with red text on pink background?
>>> 
>>> *MC:* sort of yes, but Respec had been tested previously and was pretty
>>> good a11y wise
>>> ... we use Respec as well, and know a maintainer
>>> ... we should push back
>>> 
>>> *JS:* perhaps its in the way we are using Respec versus how they are?
>>> 
>>> *fesch:* they are using warnings, etc. I've not seen before
>>> 
>>> <*ShaneM*> I am deep in the middle of other stuff right now, but please
>>> feel free to assign me any ReSpec related actions.
>>> 
>>> *JS:* give action to Shane?
>>> 
>>> <*ShaneM*> Note that since I am not on the call, the action could use a
>>> little context ;-)
>>> 
>>> *MC:* found a diagram with poor color contrast (in SVG)
>>> 
>>> <*ShaneM*> ok
>>> 
>>> <*janina*> Also, diag needs extended text descript
>>> 
>>> <*janina*> Or even to be accessible svg
>>> 
>>> issues around color contrast in the Respec CSS
>>> Summary of Action Items
>>> 
>>> ACTION: Fred to review Media Queries Level 4
>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/mediaqueries-4/ [1]
>>> 
>>>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc#T18-04-44
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ACTION: foliot to draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on
>>> EME https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/ [2]
>>> 
>>>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc#T18-09-59
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ACTION: fred to review SHACL Use Cases and Requirements
>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl-ucr/ [3]
>>> 
>>>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc#T18-11-57
>>> Summary of Resolutions
>>> 
>>> 1.    meeting agrees to take Draft Decision Policy to CfC
>>> <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#resolution01 <https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#resolution01>>
>>> 
>>> [End of minutes]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ​--
>>> 
>>> John Foliot
>>> 
>>> Principal Accessibility Strategist
>>> 
>>> Deque Systems Inc.
>>> 
>>> john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
> chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru> - - - Find more at http://yandex.com <http://yandex.com/>
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