Re: Meeting minutes, 2016-01-06

               Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference

06 Jan 2016

    [2]Agenda

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    See also: [3]IRC log

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Attendees

    Present
           Ivan Herman, Frederick Hirsch, Rob_Sanderson, Benjamin
           Young, Jacob Jett, Doug Shepers (shepazu), Davis
           Salisbury, Paolo Ciccarese

    Regrets
           Chris Birk, Tim Cole

    Chair
           Rob_Sanderson, Frederick_Hirsch

    Scribe
           fjh, azaroth

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Status of related working group activities
          2. [6]Minutes Approval
          3. [7]Planning for 2016
          4. [8]F2F meeting
          5. [9]Plans for Deliverables
      * [10]Summary of Action Items
      * [11]Summary of Resolutions
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    <azaroth> trackbot, start meeting

    <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference

    <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2016

Status of related working group activities

    <fjh> ivan: nothing new with CSV, shutting down after
    completing work, will be community group

    <fjh> rob: social web almost going to CR with activity streams,
    talking about testing, may to to CR end of month, or next

    <fjh> ivan: of course exiting CR is different from entering,
    depending on implementations

    <fjh> rob: issue is not implementations in general but coverage
    of all features, should not impact Annotation as we also have
    implementations of what we need

    <fjh> fjh: depends on whether things are appropriately marked
    as at-risk

    <davis_salisbury> Apologies from me, just had to wrap up
    something at work before calling in.

    <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh

    <azaroth> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Minutes of previous call are
    approved

    <azaroth>
    [12]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html

      [12] http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html

Minutes Approval

    RESOLUTION: Minutes of previous call are approved
    [13]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html

      [13] http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html

Planning for 2016

    from agenda - Overall timeline before end of charter

    * What is "success" for the WG?

    * Steps needed to get to CR for model, protocol, findtext

    * What to do for other chartered work?

    * Face to face meeting in Europe

    * Who can contribute what?

    - Especially client implementations and testing?

    rob: current thinking is that we need another F2F, in Europe
    ... need focus and volunteers for client implementations that
    implement spec - currently I have server implementations
    ... need at least 2 implementations
    ... ivan can you please remind us of formal steps to enter and
    leave CR

    ivan: with today's process, CR means technical work is done and
    that all outstanding issues have been addressed
    ... now LC and CR are merged so only one formal step
    ... need to specify exit criteria as well for exiting CR
    ... once exiting can ask for PR
    ... timing requires minimum 4 weeks for AC to vote to go to REC
    from PR, could possibly get extension for that
    ... not much experience with merged LC-CR, useful to do
    informal LC to make sure have feedback
    ... implementations have to prove that spec can be implemented,
    is consistent, etc - task during CR
    ... need also to declare which features are at-risk when going
    into CR, not sure what social web is doing
    ... if there are flaws then can issue a second CR
    ... minimum time for CR is 4-6 weeks
    ... most groups have it be longer

    rob: charter ends in Oct, TPAC is in Sept, so we need to enter
    CR in beginning of July

    ivan: need transition call which requires scheduling
    ... could add a week for example

    rob: such timelines apply to all deliverables
    ... if we can get model done early then could focus on findtext
    and protocol

    ivan: need to discuss

F2F meeting

    ivan: have looked into possible meeting in Berlin, iAnnotate
    may take place in Berlin, March, early April
    ... don't know the details

    rob: will follow up

    <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth

    <fjh> ack

    fjh: Easter Monday is 28th of March, good to keep in mind

    Ivan: so 25-28 doesn't work, and AC meeting week of the 21st

    Rob: Beginning of April looks better

    Ivan: Bad period for me, hopefully earlier in March

    Rob: Earlier in March is bad for me unfortunately

    Ivan: If it doesn't work, we'll find another place

    Doug: Have gotten Dan to move the conference and then not
    having a meeting would not be great

    Ivan: Agreed, need to look at the dates. Would be good to fix
    them soon
    ... There's a planning meeting for I Annotate tomorrow
    ... For Hypothes.is and the Berlin folks. So we should know by
    next week

    <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh

Plans for Deliverables

    rob: serialization and model is solid deliverable
    ... should also be able to progress FindText and protocol
    ... others could be treated as notes
    ... progress on them could feed into new charter and continued
    work

    doug: getting to CR is not good enough, need to make sure of
    implementations

    <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth

    fjh: CR period is going to be longer than required
    ... could be much longer, so need to be realistic about the
    timeline

    <ivan> +1 to Frederick

    fjh: maybe the model will go through easily. Less convinced
    about findtext.
    ... Same applies to protocol

    Doug: I'd argue that the model has the same problems
    ... As far as I understand the goal is to get significant
    deployment among widely used implementations. Nice but not
    required to have browsers

    <fjh> fjh: we can expect longer CR than minimum to enable
    implementations etc, so I think we will run out of charter time

    Doug: WIthout that it doesn't matter how quickly we get to CR

    <fjh> fjh: need to be realistic about what we communicate

    <scribe> scribenick: fjh

    doug: need to get commercial implementations, going beyond open
    source, may go into next year
    ... need to include others like hypothes.is in conversation re
    timeline

    +1

    rob: doug can you help with this

    doug: yes, will continue what i am doing, need contact for digo
    ... need up to date list of implementations

    <bigbluehat> shepazu:
    [14]https://docs.google.com/a/hypothes.is/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0
    Am32b0H2bOCCdFgwRDh6UVIxVzI4ajdadEJVTEZkX0E#gid=0

      [14] 
https://docs.google.com/a/hypothes.is/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am32b0H2bOCCdFgwRDh6UVIxVzI4ajdadEJVTEZkX0E#gid=0

    doug: need to be able to make case to director that we have
    right implementers

    <PaoloCiccarese> Is Hypothes.is committed to implement the
    specs at this point?

    ivan: number of publishers and IDPF want to update to using
    WebAnnotation, so those can add to implementations
    ... agree with concern of protocol and findText

    davis_salisbury: starting to work on prototype at Wiley, will
    keep you informed
    ... based on peer review

    <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth

    fjh: Do you have any idea of timing?

    davis_salisbury: I think we'll have something to see by spring
    ... we have people collaborating with us on the development but
    based around a much larger project around journal workflow
    ... a piece of it, so might get tricky
    ... annotation is deemed to be a very important part of the
    workflow

    fjh: Went through the Hypothes.is spreadsheet and there's lots
    that are dead or gone. Some are still relevant. Need to make a
    list of people who are active

    <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to note 3+ CH implementations

    <fjh> rob: many implementations in cultural heritage domain,
    looking to move Web Annotation, model reflects many of their
    requirements

    <fjh> doug: can you please list those

    <fjh> rob: yes

    <ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [15]Minutes of previous call are approved
        http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html

    [End of minutes]

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