- From: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:49:23 -0700
- To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Cc: Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>, Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu>, Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, W3C Public Annotation List <public-annotation@w3.org>
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote: > This is actually why I raised the issue of putting Motivation directly on > the Body; it explains what role each Body plays in the whole Annotation > (though not necessarily what the relationship of each Body is to each > Target, for example). > > These entailments are where Rob and I might differ, BTW; he said [1], “The > role of the resource in the annotation is not a property of the resource, > it is a relationship between the Annotation and the Resource.” > > I might be misunderstanding him, but if "Resource" means a Body (in this > case), then putting the role/motivation in the Body seems like the most > straightforward way to describe the relationship of that Resource to the > Annotation. > Yes, in this case we're talking about the body, but the same applies to any other resource. (Intentionally overlooking the non-resource literal bodies). I'll try to explain further why I strongly believe this to be true, regardless of linked data or RDF. The role of the body in the annotation is not a property of the body, because it's only true for the particular annotation, not generally. It is not a property of a video, that someone has used it in a certain way, any more than that it is a property of a web page for which browser some user is looking at it with. You cannot set page.browser = chrome because someone else can just as reasonably view it in firefox. Instead the person views-in-chrome the page. Viewing-In is a relationship between the user, the page and the browser. It would have properties like when it was viewed. You cannot set video.role = commenting because someone can just as reasonably use that same video in a different role, such as questioning or replying. Instead, the annotation uses-as-a-comment the video. To avoid annotation.uses_as_a_comment = video, we have an extensible set of motivations and a single property of "body": annotation.body = video But remember we can't say video.role = commenting as it's _specific_ to the annotation. Thus we introduce a level of indirection for the body: annotation.body.role = commenting annotation.body.source = video And that is the specific resource. It holds properties that are specific to the annotation about the annotation's use of the video. Similarly, it's not a property of the video that the annotation only needs the first 60 seconds of it. Instead we have a selector on the specific resource: annotation.body.selector.value = "t:0,60" It's not a property of the HTML page that the annotation needs a specific segment of it. It's not a property of the page that the comment is about a representation of it at a certain time. It's not a property of the page that the annotation creator wants the region highlighted in green rather than red. It's not a property of the page that the annotation uses it as a comment, rather than a question. Maybe that makes it clearer, I hope so! Rob
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