- From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 10:18:03 -0500
- To: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
Thanks. Most of the work in the task force will be described on its main page - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force - so anyone who wants to keep up with the task force's work can just look at that page. peter On 1/8/24 23:32, Paola Di Maio wrote: > Thank you Peter, I hope someone from the AI KR CG will follow up > personally, I do not have bandwidth but if you need specific inputs form me > on system design and KR aspects of your proposed solutions, I can try to pitch in > (I am kind of a system analyst and would need a clear definition ) Wikidata > is a great example of how the SW works/could work and I hope it lives thanks > for opening the opportunity to contribute to our list. We look forward to > developments Let s keep things up where we can best wishes PDM > > On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 10:11 PM Peter F. Patel-Schneider > <pfpschneider@gmail.com <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The inferencing that goes on in Wikidata is, as far as I know, done by "bots" > - external programs that look over information in Wikidata and add in some > simple consequences of that information. The most active of these bots is > KrBot, which uses information in Wikidata talk pages. See > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DMD2023_-_A_better_way_to_enforce_a_data_model._Suggestions_to_improve_Autofix.pdf <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DMD2023_-_A_better_way_to_enforce_a_data_model._Suggestions_to_improve_Autofix.pdf> > for a recent presentation on some of the problems with this methodology. > > I would very much like to see a better method for performing inference in > Wikidata, or at least discovering violations of the constraints implied by > the > intended meaning of central Wikidata entities. > > As far as I know there is little direct use of Wikidata in old-fashioned AI. > > My current work with the Wikidata ontology is investigating and fixing > problems with the building blocks of the ontology, including disjointness > violations and violations of class orders. But I'm very interested in coming > up with a good way of automatically performing inference and constraint > checking in Wikidata. > > The Wikidata Ontology Cleaning Task Force is meeting Tuesday, 9 January 2024 > at 1:30pm ET. > https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=90c4d393de6b606fdb90ba6da1f7c1cc7afdd084df7776c02e55170620807843@group.calendar.google.com <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=90c4d393de6b606fdb90ba6da1f7c1cc7afdd084df7776c02e55170620807843@group.calendar.google.com> > has information on how to join. > > peter > > > On 1/6/24 05:49, Paola Di Maio wrote: > > Greetings, Peter PS > > > > Although not strictly an AI topic, I share your email with @everyone > @W3C AI > > KR CG mailing list because > > > > 1. Its an opportunity to work with Peter who is an early proponent of > > intelligent technologies and knows quite a great deal of stuff > > > > 2. Wikidata has been a good examples of plain SW implementations that > offers > > simple but robust (semantic) inference mechanism and is open source > > Minimally addressed here > > > https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/15780/does-wikidata-offer-inferencing-reasoning <https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/15780/does-wikidata-offer-inferencing-reasoning> <https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/15780/does-wikidata-offer-inferencing-reasoning <https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/15780/does-wikidata-offer-inferencing-reasoning>> > > > > Peter, Please share with us any demo that shows wikidata > reasoning/inferencing > > capability? Whats the plan for leveraging wikidata to do AI? > > > > I take this opportunity to welcome all new members to this WG and > encourage > > you to introduce yourselves tot he list, share what you are working on, > > how you plan to contribute etc > > > > Best greetings > > > > Paola DM, Chair > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:38 PM Peter F. Patel-Schneider > > <pfpschneider@gmail.com <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com> > <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > Wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page> > > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page>>) is a large (close > > to 110 million entities) open-source repository of information. > Wikidata uses > > a data model that is similar to, but more general than that of > either RDF or > > labelled property graphs. Wikidata incorporates a large ontology using > > regular > > properties, as does RDFS. > > > > The Wikidata ontology has become very large, somewhere around 4 million > > class-like entities. As for the rest of Wikidata, the Wikidata > ontology is > > the > > result of edits from many different sources and by many different > agents. > > As a > > result, there are many problems in the ontology. > > > > There have been several investigations and surveys about the Wikidata > > ontology > > and thus an increased awareness of the problems in the ontology. See > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Ontology_issues_prioritization > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Ontology_issues_prioritization> > > > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Ontology_issues_prioritization > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Ontology_issues_prioritization>>, > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Ontology_issues_prioritization#Overview_of_potential_solutions <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Ontology_issues_prioritization#Overview_of_potential_solutions> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Ontology_issues_prioritization#Overview_of_potential_solutions <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Ontology_issues_prioritization#Overview_of_potential_solutions>>, > > and > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Challenges_in_Semantic_Web_Community.pdf <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Challenges_in_Semantic_Web_Community.pdf> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Challenges_in_Semantic_Web_Community.pdf <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Challenges_in_Semantic_Web_Community.pdf>> > > for more information. There is a task force starting up to address > issues in > > the Wikidata ontology. See > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force>> > > for more information. > > > > If you are interested in analysis of the Wikidata ontology or in > helping to > > improve the ontology please contact me. Any kind of interest is > welcome, > > ranging from theoretical analyses of the ontology, to techniques for > > reasoning > > in Wikidata, to implementation of tools that help improve the > ontology, to > > direct editing of the ontology. I can assist you in finding out > more about > > the > > ontology, introducing you to others involved with the ontology, forming > > groups > > that can address issues with the ontology, or developing a topic > suitable for > > academic investigation. > > > > Peter F. Patel-Schneider > > >
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