- From: Gabriel Lopes <gabriellopes9102@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 13:10:52 -0300
- To: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Cc: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfpschneider@gmail.com>, W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAHRA0=q-=8b5GBJDXOxaPH25FnYt+0218ykM8SaU07LiQTRX3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Hello everyone, Thank you Peter for this Call to Arms. It is indeed a very nice opportunity to get integrated at forwarding movements of today's Web and share of knowledge, as very well represented by Wikidata. I have some expertise either as an ontologist and knowledge engineer, so I'd be glad to share any efforts where my skills may fit. I'll attend to the meeting <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=90c4d393de6b606fdb90ba6da1f7c1cc7afdd084df7776c02e55170620807843@group.calendar.google.com>, so any further discussion will be appreciated. Best, Em ter., 9 de jan. de 2024 às 01:36, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> escreveu: > Thank you Peter, I hope someone from the AI KR CG will follow up > personally, I do not have bandwidth but if you need specific inputs form > me on system design and KR aspects of your proposed solutions, I can try to > pitch in > (I am kind of a system analyst and would need a clear definition ) > Wikidata is a great example of how the SW works/could work and I hope it > lives thanks for opening the opportunity to contribute to our list. We > look forward to developments Let s keep things up where we can best > wishes PDM > > On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 10:11 PM Peter F. Patel-Schneider < > pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The inferencing that goes on in Wikidata is, as far as I know, done by >> "bots" >> - external programs that look over information in Wikidata and add in >> some >> simple consequences of that information. The most active of these bots >> is >> KrBot, which uses information in Wikidata talk pages. See >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DMD2023_-_A_better_way_to_enforce_a_data_model._Suggestions_to_improve_Autofix.pdf >> for a recent presentation on some of the problems with this methodology. >> >> I would very much like to see a better method for performing inference in >> Wikidata, or at least discovering violations of the constraints implied >> by the >> intended meaning of central Wikidata entities. >> >> As far as I know there is little direct use of Wikidata in old-fashioned >> AI. >> >> My current work with the Wikidata ontology is investigating and fixing >> problems with the building blocks of the ontology, including disjointness >> violations and violations of class orders. But I'm very interested in >> coming >> up with a good way of automatically performing inference and constraint >> checking in Wikidata. >> >> The Wikidata Ontology Cleaning Task Force is meeting Tuesday, 9 January >> 2024 >> at 1:30pm ET. >> >> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=90c4d393de6b606fdb90ba6da1f7c1cc7afdd084df7776c02e55170620807843@group.calendar.google.com >> has information on how to join. >> >> peter >> >> >> On 1/6/24 05:49, Paola Di Maio wrote: >> > Greetings, Peter PS >> > >> > Although not strictly an AI topic, I share your email with @everyone >> @W3C AI >> > KR CG mailing list because >> > >> > 1. Its an opportunity to work with Peter who is an early proponent of >> > intelligent technologies and knows quite a great deal of stuff >> > >> > 2. Wikidata has been a good examples of plain SW implementations that >> offers >> > simple but robust (semantic) inference mechanism and is open source >> > Minimally addressed here >> > >> https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/15780/does-wikidata-offer-inferencing-reasoning >> < >> https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/15780/does-wikidata-offer-inferencing-reasoning >> > >> > >> > Peter, Please share with us any demo that shows wikidata >> reasoning/inferencing >> > capability? Whats the plan for leveraging wikidata to do AI? >> > >> > I take this opportunity to welcome all new members to this WG and >> encourage >> > you to introduce yourselves tot he list, share what you are working on, >> > how you plan to contribute etc >> > >> > Best greetings >> > >> > Paola DM, Chair >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:38 PM Peter F. Patel-Schneider >> > <pfpschneider@gmail.com <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page >> > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page>) is a large >> (close >> > to 110 million entities) open-source repository of information. >> Wikidata uses >> > a data model that is similar to, but more general than that of >> either RDF or >> > labelled property graphs. Wikidata incorporates a large ontology >> using >> > regular >> > properties, as does RDFS. >> > >> > The Wikidata ontology has become very large, somewhere around 4 >> million >> > class-like entities. As for the rest of Wikidata, the Wikidata >> ontology is >> > the >> > result of edits from many different sources and by many different >> agents. >> > As a >> > result, there are many problems in the ontology. >> > >> > There have been several investigations and surveys about the >> Wikidata >> > ontology >> > and thus an increased awareness of the problems in the ontology. >> See >> > >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Ontology_issues_prioritization >> > < >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Ontology_issues_prioritization>, >> > >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Ontology_issues_prioritization#Overview_of_potential_solutions >> < >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Ontology_issues_prioritization#Overview_of_potential_solutions >> >, >> > and >> > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Challenges_in_Semantic_Web_Community.pdf >> < >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Challenges_in_Semantic_Web_Community.pdf >> > >> > for more information. There is a task force starting up to address >> issues in >> > the Wikidata ontology. See >> > >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force >> < >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force >> > >> > for more information. >> > >> > If you are interested in analysis of the Wikidata ontology or in >> helping to >> > improve the ontology please contact me. Any kind of interest is >> welcome, >> > ranging from theoretical analyses of the ontology, to techniques for >> > reasoning >> > in Wikidata, to implementation of tools that help improve the >> ontology, to >> > direct editing of the ontology. I can assist you in finding out >> more about >> > the >> > ontology, introducing you to others involved with the ontology, >> forming >> > groups >> > that can address issues with the ontology, or developing a topic >> suitable for >> > academic investigation. >> > >> > Peter F. Patel-Schneider >> > >> > -- Gabriel Lopes *Interoperability as Jam's sessions!* *Each system emanating the music that crosses itself, instrumentalizing scores and ranges...* *... of Resonance, vibrations, information, data, symbols, ..., Notes.* *How interoperable are we with the Music the World continuously offers to our senses?* *Maybe it depends on our foundations...?*
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