Re: Great Community Engagement Reader

While I might use different terminology, my impression is that Adeel and I are essentially "talking" about the same thing -- meaning that we both appear to believe that what's required is more than "words on paper" or device screens.  More specifically speaking, I believe (and it seems that Adeel does too) that the requirements for effective engagement include:  

1) the capability for participants to participate directly in realizing clearly specified objectives, and 2) the means to track and report the results.

Beyond that, here are some responses to the points that Paola has made in her response below:   
   - There are indeed lots of tools but none of them apply an open, machine-readable standard like StratML.  They are all data stovepipes that aim to "own" their users rather than serve their personal and public interests.  In the sense of the Capability Maturity Model, they are all immature for business-quality usage.
   - While I am collaborating with some developers to begin offering StratML-enable services, initially at https://aboutthem.info/ and eventually at https://connectedcommunity.net/, I would not claim to have yet provided any tools that are close to providing capabilities that are sufficiently usable (user friendly) and useful (with utilitarian value) to warrant widespread usage.
   - With respect to hidden agendas, I don't care about them or those who hold them.  I want to work with those who are willing and able to think clearly about and openly share their well documented plans in machine-readable format.  (From a broader perspective, that pretty well characterizes the difference between "democratic" versus dictatorial societies, as per the Biden' administration's recently released National Security Strategy, which is now available in StratML format.)
   - I'm not waiting and hoping for anyone else to do any of this for me; I'm striving to make it happen myself -- in partnership with those who share my objectives, including those outlined at https://aboutthem.info/ & https://connectedcommunity.net/.
   - I'd love to engage subscribers to this listserv in my quest.
Owen Ambur
https://www.linkedin.com/in/owenambur/
 

    On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 09:28:28 AM EDT, Adeel <aahmad1811@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hello,
I would be interested in getting involved in the development and implementation aspect of the cognitive architecture to test the theory in any specific publication as part of what this community releases as output. We can then collaborate further on publications. I think group involvement will likely increase if there is something tangible to look at and reference as a point of testing the theory. And, possibly a drive for specification. I find myself skeptical on paper publications unless there is some artefact associated with it to prove whether it would work. 
Thanks,
Adeel
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 at 03:50, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:

Owenthank you-
Regarding your suggestion that what is needed is tools, I am not sure
There are plenty of tools for engagement - including your own which may partly fulfil that purpose

What we have found over years of community work is that there are individuals and organisationsthat take a lot out from the community - in terms of knowledge, ideas, resources, shared freely and without hidden agendas, for the joy of sharing,  and use the same for personal gains (career, funding publications that do not credit the source of what they write etc) without ever giving anything back
In my view, what we need more of is honesty and genuine interest in the common goodsomething that is very rare, 
We keep at it nonetheless, magic still happens between the cracksI am hoping someone earning a salary elsewhere but utterly bored with their life and a few spare cycles may become involved as community engagement manager with this C
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 10:34 AM Owen Ambur <owen.ambur@verizon.net> wrote:

Paola, when you're ready to share your proposal, I'll look forward to learning if it lends itself to rendition as a performance plan in StratML Part 2 format.
In the meantime, your message prompted me to convert to StratML Part 1 format the about statements for CSCCE & Community Initiatives at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#CI4
As far as the challenge of engagement is concerned, it seems to me what's needed is pretty clear and relatively simple -- online tools that make it easy for users to contribute to the realization of objectives of particular interest to them:

For those who care enough, the first step is to clarify and share their objectives in an open, machine-readable format.
The second is to develop services making it relatively easy for users to share and discover objectives of special interest to them.
And the third step is to provide services enabling users to contribute to the realization of common and complementary objectives as best their time, resources, and expertise allow.

If those steps are well executed, the results (or lack thereof) will speak efficiently and effectively for themselves.  Otherwise we can just keep writing scholarly articles and exchanging messages like this. 
BTW, CSCCE's guidebook could also be rendered as a model performance plan for community managers but I am not yet sufficienty motivated to do that for them.
Owen Amburhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/owenambur/
 

    On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:43:21 AM EDT, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Greetings folks
This CG has over seventy members, but low member engagement. It would be great if someone would take up the challenge to engage the community base

I ll be sharing a proposal soon - waiting for the scholarly publication currently with the publisher before sharing the gist of what I have been working on - but obviously everyone is welcome to come up with suggestions and plans on how to take things forward.
Courtesy of the CSCCE, a great resource to stimulate interest in the role (volunteer) and recommended reading for everyone interested in community engagement
The CSCCE Skills Wheel – Five core competencies and 45 skills to describe the role of the community engagement manager in STEM.https://zenodo.org/record/4437294#.Y07FXExBzrdThis guidebook is intended to be a brief, practical introduction to scientific community manager roles and provide a starting point for discussing common questions about them.
Pdm